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I don't see it that way, so I'm off the hook.
Many war supporters on this board, however, have described the war as I have posted above.
All the better reason for the anti-war side to make the effort, wouldn't you agree?
I don't see it that way, so I'm off the hook.
Many war supporters on this board, however, have described the war as I have posted above.
I'm sure many supporters don't think of it as the survival of western civilization. does that mean you won't fire back with a "why aren't you enlisting if you're for the war" for them?
*cough* dubya *cough*
how would you prove you are serious about leaving a place?and is effectively ruining our country and how important it is for us to leave Iraq, they must prove that it is serious to them as well.
The answer is really simple: by leaving it.
who has the power to let us leave? Not you or me.
who has remained steadfast in his determination to remain in Iraq despite the fact that most of the country wants us out? who has ignored critics and protesters?
especially when the people with the power to decide are open to suggestions.
Then why did we start the war?
Well, if you and me have no power to end the war. Then why do people have to prove they are for it by enlisting? They don't have the power to continue the war as per your point above.
And I know bashing Dubya is easy, he doesn't make it difficult. But why are you changing the subject? What has his lousy leadership got to do with the discussion we were having?
Who is "most of our country". Seems as tho most of
our country doesn't hold our dimm-o-craptic congress in
much esteem. And they haven't really done much to get
anyone out of anything. Wouldn't you agree with that?
I agree the democrats haven't done much of anything.
Americans have had enough: 61 percent support withdrawing U.S. troops by April 2008 — nearly twice the number that oppose withdrawal on that timeline (32 percent).
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289976,00.html
You know you and I agreeing is kinda scary.......
And you know people will talk......
Really Chump. Then why haven't the dimms done anything
about it.
Wow 61 percent. that should get all of them re-elected
and statues on the mall.
From my recollection, the reasons given for why the war was started was because Iraq had WMDs, a link to al qaeda, Saddam was an evil man....
I'd venture to guess that there are some war supporters who are only supporting finishing our work there, regardless of the reason we went in. Bill Maher who is not so Republican/Bush friendly is one from that group.
I don't think it is fair to say that every war supporter is a blind Bush supporter, nor is every anti-war person someone who opposed from the beginning.
But, that still doesn't really address the point I was making that it is wrong to have a double standard in an arguement. If you want to oppose the war, that is fine. You have every right to do so and make a valid point. But if someone wants to support the war, then you have to give them the same opportunity to make their point. Freedom of speech goes the same for things you are for and things you are against.
Because they don't hold a large enough majority in either house. Pretty simple.
If you are disputing the numbers, take it up with Fox News.Wow 61 percent. that should get all of them re-elected
and statues on the mall.
Those who support it give Congress and the WH the ability to maintain the status quo. Once the republicans start getting threatened by their cons uents (meaning republican voters--not democrat war protesters) with ouster, they won't back the Prez. The Prez won't have the votes, and the end will be in sight.
That's kinda like asking "why are we talking about a chicken when discussing the presence of an egg?"And I know bashing Dubya is easy, he doesn't make it difficult. But why are you changing the subject? What has his lousy leadership got to do with the discussion we were having?
....which threatened the survival of western civilization.
People can make any point they want. So what?But, that still doesn't really address the point I was making that it is wrong to have a double standard in an arguement. If you want to oppose the war, that is fine. You have every right to do so and make a valid point. But if someone wants to support the war, then you have to give them the same opportunity to make their point. Freedom of speech goes the same for things you are for and things you are against.
War protesters aren't arguing for people to sacrifice their lives. War supporters are. That's the difference.
Those who are against it were able to make a change in the make-up of congress. maybe if they can help to change the minds of the republican supporters, they can create more influence for their cause.
No its like saying, we are discussing the merits of a double standard and you want to bring in an easy target to change the subject.That's kinda like asking "why are we talking about a chicken when discussing the presence of an egg?"
They already have. Republicans are looking for a way out before the next election. Which of course begs the question: Are they or were they ever serious about the war?
Using that logic: If we were debating abortion I could say to you "if you are pro-abortion, then you should have a baby aborted. Otherwise, you aren't really a pro-abortion supporter."
I really don't agree that is the case. Which is why I would let you make your arguement and not give you a standard that you must physically participate in it to have a valid point.
No Chump I am taking it up with you. You made the
statement. Why haven't they done anything about it?
I agree, you might have a point there. I am all for having discussions of the war, but before this gets off track, the merits of the war wasn't my point. I was only saying that its not right to tell someone that they be serve in the military to support the war or they are just full of it.
I told you.
You aren't using much logic at all in that case.
I wouldnt fight in Iraq if I were drafted yesterday. Not because I am a coward, but because I am not willing to give my life to cause I dont believe in. That simple.
Now, if some organized, highly motivated, large number of people decided to revolt and start over with this country, I would gladly enlist my life for that.
I am asking anyone here what personal sacrifice they have made for this war.
Total war demands sacrifice from everybody and many here have portrayed this as a total war.
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