Scola's son name Tiago to honor his best friend

[smeagol]

Give it up Ariel. It is pointless.

As I have said in the past, I once argued with whottt for days about rugby. He never watched and entire rugby game in his life and was discussing with me about a sport I played since I was seven and I like better than soccer. He is relentless.

A couple of weeks ago he was owned by timvp about the splash the Spurs were going to make in the market this year, but he still thinks he was right.

Lose, lose situation, amigo.

[Ariel]

Who's projecting them onto all Argies...the Argies that stand out aren't getting the grief from me...just the newbies acting like they understand this situation when they weren't here 3 years ago...much less 5.

And how many posts I have here dictates what I can or can't discuss about? What if I had heard about Luis' play before you had heard of Argentina? What if I had read the papers at the time, paying particular attention on Scola news? What if I had been at another Spurs board for almost 3 years now, with 3.5K+ posts, and at other boards for a couple of years before that? Would that change anything? Would that make a difference? Shouldn't what I say be all that matters?

More like so far is all you've done is prove you buy into the retroactive spin 100%

No...you'd rather go for the spin and his Miss Congeniality routine he's been putting out since being signed by the Rockets...as if the Spurs were the assholes.

Where do you get off saying my stance on the matter comes exclusively from the news in the past few months? It doesn't.

SO yeah like I was saying...Scola was pissed the Spurs drafted him. No matter how you spin it.

You know why he didn't get drafted in the first round?

Because the details and language of his ed up contract situation scared teams off...

Don't sit and here and site 2007 information as information that was readily available and understood back then.

The ed up contract situation was why he dropped so low.


And you know what? him...he's got to go into the draft by age 22 like every other NBA player does...tough ...he shouldn't have signed a bad contract...and the Spurs had every right to draft him as a player eligible to be drafted and his comments afterwards made him sound like a horses ass.


It's like winning the one million dollar lottery instead of the five million dollar loterry and whining about your misfortune.

Ugh... you just don't get it. One, there's a difference between being frustrated at a situation where a party is involved, and blaming such party for it. What happened was, at worst, the former. And second, that's not what the argument was about. Not even close. The point was that he's made out to be some egotistical prick by some, when in fact he's played professional basketball with some of the most accomplished FIBA stars for more than 10 years now, under some of the toughest coaches in the world, and he's unanimously respected and appreciated. You'd think that'd be a better indication of his character and how he'd affect team chemistry than some made up quote by someone whose biggest attribute is the utter worthlessness of his time relative to that of those who are trying to argue something with him.

It was on American TV...as was the part about RC asking him about the rebounding...on the TV, during the Olympic broadcast.

What was on American TV? Scola himself saying he hated the Spurs for having drafted him? or was he cursing RC's mother for his comments? Seeing the extent to which you'll go to pass rumors, speculation and your own imagination for facts, you'll forgive me if I don't give a for any unsubstantiated reference of yours that's inconsistent with the perception of Luis shared by all those who know him.

Meanwhile...when I start noticing differences between you and ArgSpursFan...I'll be sure to let you know.

I wonder why does it not surprise me you can't see past the end of your nose...

I am indeed...I am sick of the delusion that Scola is an All Star and the worst trade in Spurs history, and that it's somehow the Spurs fault that he signed a stupid contract.

I'd say instead you're indeed so sickeningly delusional that you suddenly assume everyone is saying that Scola is an All Star and the worst trade in Spurs history, and that it's somehow the Spurs fault that he signed a stupid contract, when in fact most are not.

[whottt]

Give it up Ariel. It is pointless.

As I have said in the past, I once argued with whottt for days about rugby. He never watched and entire rugby game in his life and was discussing with me about a sport I played since I was seven and I like better than soccer. He is relentless.

Do you even remember what the argument was about? There was no right or wrong to it.

A couple of weeks ago he was owned by timvp about the splash the Spurs were going to make in the market this year, but he still thinks he was right.

Lose, lose situation, amigo.

LMAO there was no wrong to that either unless you can show me the trades the Spurs turned down...it's not my fault Paxon is stupid...or isn't stupid enough depending on your POV.

[Ariel]

Give it up Ariel. It is pointless.

As I have said in the past, I once argued with whottt for days about rugby. He never watched and entire rugby game in his life and was discussing with me about a sport I played since I was seven and I like better than soccer. He is relentless.

A couple of weeks ago he was owned by timvp about the splash the Spurs were going to make in the market this year, but he still thinks he was right.

Lose, lose situation, amigo.

I see. Too late though... I was writing the post before you posted your warning. But thank you for letting me know and saving me some time for future references.

[milkyway21]

next time you have a baby pls don't call him after you best buddy. see what happens here

nice gesture of Manu giving Ipods to his friends expensive or not it means something->"thank you"

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

*pretends to have insider knowledge yet has yet to step out of basement in 3 years

[whottt]

*mllllglllllllmph mllllgllllmph gulp*

[whottt]

Hey you guys can kiss my ass...two years ago this same thing happened and the word was that Scola demanded a trade....from an Argentine. I said the same things then, then his agent came out and tossed a bunch of BS out and everyone said see whottt...you were wrong.

In fact I think I remember apologizing to smeagol over it....


Now he's gone and smeagol is the one claiming he is right, when he's the one that got ing owned.

Additionally I said the Spurs would make a big move this summer, that was the nexus of my argument with timvp...I shouldn't have to explain to Argies that moving Scola is a big move...and believe me...if Scola was worth what any of us thought he was worth...that would have been the move they made with him.

[whottt]

Inside knowledge this ers:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=oberto


And this...

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=oberto


That's where the suckhole known as smeagol demands an apology for my misrepresenting Scola....and gets one...


And now the er is back telling me I can't admit when I was wrong?

GFY smeagol.



See, I haven't just disliked Scola since I knew he wasn't going to be a Spur...I've always disliked him, since the night he was drafted.

At the same time...if he wanted to be here I was fine with that as well...if he wanted to be here, but he's never acted like he wanted to be here, not since the night he was drafted...


And he gets misrepresented by the ing Argie media as well as the European and San Antonio media...


Bull .


If the Spurs were assasinating his character...they started doing it the night he was drafted, which was pretty stupid on their part...and they did it by manipulating European media into misquoting poor Scola.


They also must be stupid because according to every Argie, they could have had God er Scola instead of Oberto...and they chose Oberto.


I'm sorry...but the Spurs aren't that stupid. IF they wanted Oberto for the same money...you can damn sure bet they had a good reason for it...and if Scola was being fair all along and the Spurs just wanted to his character and rep, and he's this great player...then they sure did take a ty ass trade to do it.

I don't think the Spurs drafted Scola all those years ago just to him over...

I think his comments that night about wishing he hadn't been drafted make his at ude pretty clear.

And I am sorry you guys didn't see the same Olympic interview in Argentina...maybe you should take it up with your media? And he spoke in English...and a scowl is Universal.


Sorry..I have no doubts who the asshole here is...and his name is Scola.




And I'm sorry that the archives predating late 04 are no longer here..I really wish they were.


Scola has friends? Big ing deal...so did Charles Manson...that proves exactly nothing.


A coach liked Scola? BFD...a coach liked Artest too...

[whottt]

@#$%@#$%#$%


Every sucker on this forum owes me an apology based on that thread.


Except for timvp of all people. IT's sad how good timvp used to be, was on the right side of the Scola/Oberto debate, predicted the 10-10 start...and now.....tsk tsk.


http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=oberto


I'm so right I forget my own rightness...I have to apologize for being wrong even when I'm not just so I don't seem like someone who never admits being wrong ....


Where are my apologies...


Come on everyone...the Spurs and Scola are singing Kumbaya
(in 2005)....and I was just jumping to conclusions...


LMAO at me having to defend Oberto against other Argies...like "Manumaniac".


Right now...hendrix is the only Argie with any credibility...

[timvp]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=oberto

Nice find on that link. I was saying the same thing about Scola then that I'm saying now. Good scorer, not the greatest of fits for the Spurs. But what makes me mad is this . . .

Bottomline is Oberto > Scola. I've always thought that. Spurs got the better player for the money that they would have given Scola.

Notice how the Spurs sign Oberto for three seasons and at the same time say that Scola's contract is for three more years. To me, it looks like they will go with Oberto for now while they try to trade Scola. If they don't find a team out there dying for him, they'll just wait out the three years and bring in a 28 year old player with a chip on his shoulder.

By that time, the landscape for the Spurs will be different and make more sense to bring in Scola.

1. Horry will be retired.
2. Rasho will be traded.
3. Duncan will be even more of a center.

By that time, Scola will be one of the best European players ever. The Spurs can bring him in and give him a huge role.

It works out for everyone involved, in theory.

The Spurs had almost waiting out those three years but instead of waiting out the final year, they panicked.



Unlike the picture whottt likes to paint, I was always in favor of making Scola wait and calling his bluff that he'd be ready to come over in 2008. I was always in favor of keeping his rights unless a very good offer came along. I always had the take that Scola was a good scorer whose fit on the Spurs wouldn't be the greatest ... but he's still someone who was too valuable to give away.

People can give any excuse they want but bottom line is Scola bluffed, the Spurs bit the bluff and sold him low. Everything points to that being the case.

[timvp]

Oh and @ revisionisttt saying that the big Spurs move he was talking about was giving away Scola. Damn, that's golden

[timvp]

Every sucker on this forum owes me an apology based on that thread.


Except for timvp of all people. IT's sad how good timvp used to be, was on the right side of the Scola/Oberto debate, predicted the 10-10 start...and now.....tsk tsk.

Uh, I've stayed on the exact same position the whole time concerning Scola. You are just so far on the Scola hating extreme that you can't see that I've been consistent all along.

Back then, I was your closest ally. Now bandwagon Scola haters like ChumpDumper come along and they seem to be more on your side. But the truth is my position hasn't changed ... just the homerism has shifted more toward the Scola hating extreme while timvp remains the rock in the middle of the ocean.

I'll give it to you that you always hated Scola. We might be the only two posters on the forum whose take on Scola hasn't changed wildly due to current events.

To that, I offer a toast

[ChumpDumper]

Now bandwagon Scola haters like ChumpDumper come along and they seem to be more on your side.

I appreciate the misrepresentation.

[whottt]

Now bandwagon Scola haters like ChumpDumper

I'll respond to the rest of your comments later....


Trying to shoehorn Chump as a Scola bandwaggon hater is lame...


Chump isn't pro Argie anything and he's fought more wars against Argentina than the UK. In fact he's been in a perpetual state of war with Argentina since Hedo>Manu. I mean that's just wrong trying to say that.


#1. Chump is generally going to back anything the Spurs FO does.
#2. If left to his own devices I think Chump has a clear record of...well, he certainly can't be described as favoring Argentina....I've never considered Chump to be a pro Scola and I think he's always had doubts about Scola's ability to transfer to the NBA as well.


I mean even I was ok with signing him...if he wanted to be here....saying that doesn't mean you are pro Scola...it
s more like you are willing to trust the FO.

[timvp]

I guess you both missed the joke playing along with the Scola defenders who say ChumpDumper hates Scola. If I was really naming a bandwagon Scola defender, there'd be a long line before reaching ChumpDumper.

ChumpDumper was at one time saying that Scola would be a good fit but now says he wouldn't, but all along has admitted to flip flopping on the situation.

I guess I'll leave ChumpDumper out of jokes from now on. Although I'm still waiting on the link to where I "mocked" ChumpDumper for "wanting" "Scola" back in 200"5" . . .

[ChumpDumper]

You already had the link, but I accept your explanation that it was a nonsensical nonfunny nonjoke.

[saporvida]

in novellas.... bunch of i said this you said that.

shut the up already!

[timvp]

You already had the link, but I accept your explanation that it was a nonsensical nonfunny nonjoke.

You said my comment was in reference to "another" thread. However, you refuse to link to that thread.

'Tis all.

[ChumpDumper]

There are several instances in the time between the Malik trade and your posting of that caption where I was convinced the Spurs were going to try to Scola and kept bringing him up whenever there was a big man discussion. That lead some to ask me if he was a savior, including yourself. I said I didn't know but kept penciling him in the Spurs lineup because that's what I figured the Spurs would do. My saying what the FO has done or predicting what they will do has often been mistaken for wholesale endorsement. Taken in the full context of those months of discussion, your caption and my reaction make perfect sense.

[timvp]

There are several instances in the time between the Malik trade and your posting of that caption where I was convinced the Spurs were going to try to Scola and kept bringing him up whenever there was a big man discussion. That lead some to ask me if he was a savior, including yourself.

I assume you are talking about this post:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...2&postcount=13

That was a serious question. I wanted to know if you thought Scola was the savior. I didn't say you thought Scola was the savior ... quite the opposite, actually.

I still don't see anywhere you said you wanted Scola and I mocked you. Even in that thread above, you don't say you want Scola. In fact, I can't find a post of yours saying that you flat out want Scola. Therefore, I don't see how it could be claimed that I "mocked" you for "wanting Scola" when you never said you wanted him in the first place.

[ChumpDumper]

The picture was the mocking, but you knew that. And if you want to continue parsing this to infinity, I'll go ahead and say I lose. For a hazy memory of a two year old post, I'm fine with the relative quality my recollection.

[timvp]

The picture was the mocking

I apologize.

, but you knew that.

True, I apologize.

And if you want to continue parsing this to infinity,

Just tried to get the record straight.

I'll go ahead and say I lose.

That's alright. This time I'll lose.

For a hazy memory of a two year old post, I'm fine with the relative quality my recollection.

You do have quite the memory to remember a two year old caption timvp made. When I read threads from that era, it's like I'm reading them for the first time. I was pleasantly surprised I had the same take on Scola then that I have now.

[whottt]

Back...

In closing, my message to Argentina and all Scola backers...


Scola can't play defense...that means Tim Duncan will have to do it for him...that's ty situation for any Spursfans that likes winning championships...

Duncan fouling out just so Scola can score less effectively than he can...is bad championship math.


Paying Scola 3 mil a year to do that...is even worse championship math.


Anyone that thinks Duncan and Scola would have been complimentary players is on ing crack...


Sure Duncan compliments Scola on the court...BFD, Duncan compliments my grandmother on the court too...does Scola compliment Duncan? Does he in any way make Duncan's job easier? No he does not. He makes Duncan have to take on additional responsibilities.

The one prerequisite for any Spurs bigman not named Tim Duncan, is an ability and willingness to play defense and board...so Duncan doesn't have too.


David Robinson was a scoring champion...he had to play defense so Tim Duncan wouldn't have too..if you think ing Scola is good enough to make Duncan play anchor D? You are a fool who I hope never coaches a team I root for.


I look forward to Yao on the bench in foul trouble because Scola can't play D and I also look forward to Scola shooting about 44% when that happens.


In summary... Scola and the horse he rode in on.


THe Spurs didn't try to make this dude look bad...he accomplished that on his own, from day 1, nor are they the ones that gave him an effed up contract or signed it for him.



Me? I am going to enjoy watching Oberto and Duncan whup Scola's ass on both sides of the ball....too bad Argentina and all the other Scola fans won't.




Edit: The Argie known as hendrix is excluded from that call out.

[timvp]

Well since whottt didn't accept my toast, I'll post this take of his from a couple months ago:

The more I think about the idea, the more I like it. If the Spurs could pull this off, it's kind of an experiement, but on paper it would provide a kind of depth unheard of in the NBA...

You'd have the core of the best National Team in the World, supporting the core of the best Professional Team in the World...not even the 60's Celtics had that kind of depth.

The core of Team Argentina is Nocioni, Scola, Manu and Oberto(starter or not) IMO...Hermann is kind of their emotional rallying point, and I guess Sanchez and Wochiohowski(SP?) have their roles to play...but the core is that 4. That'd be awesome if the Spurs could somehow pull that off. Even if they can't get Nocioni..adding Scola still nearly complete the core.

And I think those guys playing with each other could maximize their NBA potential as well, because they know each other...I mean , we just won a championship with Oberto and Manu starting(Manu's the starter, he just comes off the bench)....


It's definitely a case of the sum being greater than the individual parts...

And adding the Argentina coach even increases that potential.

It works out great for Team Argentina too...their National Teqam gets extensive PT together heading into the 08 Olympics. That could give them a repeat they are not likely to get with some of their guys avoiding the regular National Tournaments.


The more I think about this idea the more I like it...but we still need a long SF no matter what...it'd be so awesome if we could get Nocioni...and he's already NBA ready.

whottt sure sounded like he loved both Scola and Argentina in that post.

Oh how the times change . . .