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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    The Mainstream Media seems as incurious as you.

    Why are you and they depending on the "Right Wing" Blogosphere to root this out, which -- I agree with you -- they will. Isn't in everyone's interest that everything that can be known about Norman Hsu be known as soon as possible?

    Connections are already being made to other Clinton "bundlers" and Chinese donors from '96. Hillary may be giving back more than the already $860,000; a new record, by the way.

    It must be the "Year of the Rat" all over again.

    I'm glad your keeping an open mind and being objective..

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    I'm glad your keeping an open mind and being objective..
    I'm willing to stipulate she knew nothing about this guy before he was arrested.

    I'd still like to know where his money came from and why he's so interested in getting Hillary elected.

    Aren't you?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I'm willing to stipulate she knew nothing about this guy before he was arrested.

    I'd still like to know where his money came from and why he's so interested in getting Hillary elected.

    Aren't you?

    If she didn't know him then why should we worry about his money? I don't jump to conclusions or form an opnion until I know more about any situatuion. The right wing is hyper sensitive when it comes to the Clinton's so anything that arouses su ion is trumpeted by the likes of Fox News and the talk radio curcuit.

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    If she didn't know him then why should we worry about his money?
    Well, because you have a Chinese immigrant (or national, I'm not sure which), funneling nearly a million dollars, of unknown origin, into a presidential campaign.

    I don't jump to conclusions or form an opnion until I know more about any situatuion.
    Of course not, all of your opinions on the Iraq War and George Bush's presidency are founded on carved-in-stone facts.

    The money that can be tied to Hsu is approaching Abrahmoff levels and we all remember the caterwalling that ensued over his political contributions -- well those he made to conservatives anyway, (::wink::wink:: Harry Reid).

    The right wing is hyper sensitive when it comes to the Clinton's so anything that arouses su ion is trumpeted by the likes of Fox News and the talk radio curcuit.
    I think this is a case where everyone's su ions should be raised. At least Abrahmoff's money had a trail. This guy is pulling Franklin's out of thin air.

    Here's a prediction for you. Much of the money Hillary sends back will be returned by the post office undelivered. Just like in '96, many of the names on the donor list will either take a slow boat to China or "lawyer up" and clam up.

    Here's another prediction for you. The Mainstream Media will drop the story now that Hillary has divorced herself from the issue, returned the money, and ins uted her new "criminal checks for checks" program.

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    Here's a prediction for you. You will still be plagiarizing blogs that will advance nothing but speculation, innuendo and lies about this issue for months to come.

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    What about the postman with a $45,000 salary that contributed $250,000 to her? sniff sniff<------that don't smell right.

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    What about the postman with a $45,000 salary that contributed $250,000 to her? sniff sniff<------that don't smell right.
    More importantly, where did Hsu get the $250,000 to give to the Paws so they could send it in to Hillary and other Democratic campaigns?

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    Most importantly, how much does $850,000 matter in a campaign that will probably spend about half a billion dollars?

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    I'm willing to stipulate she knew nothing about this guy before he was arrested.

    I'd still like to know where his money came from and why he's so interested in getting Hillary elected.

    Aren't you?
    Horse hockey yoni, I will not stipulate anything. She like
    her husband are so damned crooked they will have to
    screw them into the ground when they are buried.

    Remember the Livingstone and 500 FBI files? And
    no one could remember who hired livingstone?

    I don't think I want anymore of their crap.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Horse hockey yoni, I will not stipulate anything. She like
    her husband are so damned crooked they will have to
    screw them into the ground when they are buried.

    Remember the Livingstone and 500 FBI files? And
    no one could remember who hired livingstone?

    I don't think I want anymore of their crap.

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    Horse hockey yoni, I will not stipulate anything. She like
    her husband are so damned crooked they will have to
    screw them into the ground when they are buried.

    Remember the Livingstone and 500 FBI files? And
    no one could remember who hired livingstone?

    I don't think I want anymore of their crap.
    Then let the facts show it.

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    Then let the facts show it.
    Show what yoni? That they had 500 FBI files. That is
    a fact. And hearings showed that no one could remember
    who hired him.

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    Show what yoni? That they had 500 FBI files. That is
    a fact. And hearings showed that no one could remember
    who hired him.
    Can we just stick to the question at hand?

    Yes, I agree, the Bill Clinton White House was a corrupt as they come. Craig Livingstone's magical employment being just one of hundreds of anecdotes of their corruption.

    But, I'm interested in getting to the bottom of Hsu's cash and rehashing previous scandals won't get us there unless, of course, you're suggesting Livingstone is connected to Hsu somehow.

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    Most importantly, how much does $850,000 matter in a campaign that will probably spend about half a billion dollars?
    i guess muslims taking flight lessons didn't mean much in 2000 as well.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Show what yoni? That they had 500 FBI files. That is
    a fact. And hearings showed that no one could remember
    who hired him.

    Yeah like someone saying we knew right where the wmds were..around tikrit i believe he said..

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    i guess muslims taking flight lessons didn't mean much in 2000 as well.

    didn't the an FBI agent bring that to the attention of the bush administration?

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    well speak of the devil
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    The Clinton campaign said Monday that it will return money solicited by Norman Hsu from more than 250 donors.

    WASHINGTON (CNN) – A day after Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign announced it was returning $850,000 raised by fugitive fundraiser Norman Hsu, new details have emerged about his capture last week, according to reports from The Wall Street Journal.

    The disgraced Democratic fundraiser, who is under investigation for investment fraud in the 1990's, failed to appear in court last Wednesday. He was later found on an Amtrak train headed for Chicago.

    The Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site Monday night and in the newspaper’s print edition Tuesday, that it was not a pleasant trip for Hsu.

    Another passenger, Joanne Segale, tells the newspaper she noticed several items spill out of his sleeping cabin, and when she peeked through the window and "saw a man who appeared to be in fetal position, bare-chested."

    "It appeared this person had fallen out of bed," she told Journal.

    A crowbar was needed to open the Hsu’s cabin where he was found on the ground and unable to walk, the Journal reported.

    Segale also told the newspaper she noticed "lots and lots of medication in that room. I could see pills on the floor and rolling around."

    Hsu was taken to a Colorado hospital and then taken into custody by the FBI.

    Hsu has also given to other Democratic candidates, including Clinton's chief rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama.

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    Can we just stick to the question at hand?

    Yes, I agree, the Bill Clinton White House was a corrupt as they come. Craig Livingstone's magical employment being just one of hundreds of anecdotes of their corruption.

    But, I'm interested in getting to the bottom of Hsu's cash and rehashing previous scandals won't get us there unless, of course, you're suggesting Livingstone is connected to Hsu somehow.
    Getting to the bottom of either Billarys or Bills cash
    contributions will never happen, especially now, with
    a dimm-o-craptic Congress. As a matter of fact I will
    go so far as to say we have heard all we are going to
    hear about Hsu and his money. The MSM certainly wont
    pursue it. And the Congress wont pursue it, in any way,
    shape, form of fashion. As a matter of fact, I would
    bet none of the money is returned as they say they are
    doing. But how would you prove it. One way or the other?

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    "...in the 1990s, the Democratic National Committee returned more than $360,000 in donations from Taiwanese American businessman Johnny Chung, who raised money for the party during Bill Clinton’s 1996 reelection bid and later admitted that he accepted some of the money from Chinese military officials.
    And, on SpunkMunchers point, if $860,000 isn't significant (even if that's all and it doesn't turn out to be just the tip of the iceberg, as I suspect it will), why do we have McCain-Feingold or any laws restricting campaign contributions? $860,000 is a bit more than the $2,300 cap for Mr. Hsu.

    Either it's a significant violation of our law or it's not and the law should be repealed.

    "I see the White House is like a subway; you have to put in coins to open the gates."
    This, from a guy who funneled money to Bill Clinton's campaign from the Communist Chinese in 1996.

    And, whadda ya know? He did have pretty free access to the "subway," didn't he?

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    Getting to the bottom of either Billarys or Bills cash
    contributions will never happen, especially now, with
    a dimm-o-craptic Congress. As a matter of fact I will
    go so far as to say we have heard all we are going to
    hear about Hsu and his money. The MSM certainly wont
    pursue it. And the Congress wont pursue it, in any way,
    shape, form of fashion. As a matter of fact, I would
    bet none of the money is returned as they say they are
    doing. But how would you prove it. One way or the other?
    Well then, you need to just give up if it'll never happen.

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    well speak of the devil
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    The Clinton campaign said Monday that it will return money solicited by Norman Hsu from more than 250 donors.

    WASHINGTON (CNN) – A day after Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign announced it was returning $850,000 raised by fugitive fundraiser Norman Hsu, new details have emerged about his capture last week, according to reports from The Wall Street Journal.

    The disgraced Democratic fundraiser, who is under investigation for investment fraud in the 1990's, failed to appear in court last Wednesday. He was later found on an Amtrak train headed for Chicago.

    The Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site Monday night and in the newspaper’s print edition Tuesday, that it was not a pleasant trip for Hsu.

    Another passenger, Joanne Segale, tells the newspaper she noticed several items spill out of his sleeping cabin, and when she peeked through the window and "saw a man who appeared to be in fetal position, bare-chested."

    "It appeared this person had fallen out of bed," she told Journal.

    A crowbar was needed to open the Hsu’s cabin where he was found on the ground and unable to walk, the Journal reported.

    Segale also told the newspaper she noticed "lots and lots of medication in that room. I could see pills on the floor and rolling around."

    Hsu was taken to a Colorado hospital and then taken into custody by the FBI.

    Hsu has also given to other Democratic candidates, including Clinton's chief rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama.

    That story was out last night on Drudge.. your a little late

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    i guess muslims taking flight lessons didn't mean much in 2000 as well.
    I'm sorry, to whom were they making campaign contributions?

    No one?

    Oh, so there's no reason to bring them up here.

    What a stupid tangent.

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    And, on SpunkMunchers point, if $860,000 isn't significant (even if that's all and it doesn't turn out to be just the tip of the iceberg, as I suspect it will), why do we have McCain-Feingold or any laws restricting campaign contributions? $860,000 is a bit more than the $2,300 cap for Mr. Hsu.

    Either it's a significant violation of our law or it's not and the law should be repealed.
    I suggest you read your own plagiarized blogs about bundling.

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    Well then, you need to just give up if it'll never happen.
    I thought I just said that, in more than 50 words or more!

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    I thought I just said that, in more than 50 words or more!
    Maybe you need to be more direct if I can say the same thing in a sentence.

    As for me, I think the Clintons will eventually pay for their nefarious ways. But, more importantly, I doubt Hillary can weather a reprise of anything approaching "The Year of the Rat" scandal.

    Just wait until her critics start talking about all the technology transfers to China during her husband's second term. Then, they'll bring up all the Chinese spies that have been discovered rooting around at Los Alamos and other federal installations.

    I have no doubt the Communist Chinese benefitted greatly from a Bill Clinton presidency and if that can be, at the very least, insinuated into Hillary's campaign, she's toast.

    That's why it's so important to get to the bottom of Hsu's money pit.

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