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    A Derek Ross reference....well done!
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    The only way I could even entertain the thought of drafting a CB in the top ten is if the draft prospects of pass rushers are so pitiful that you almost have no other option, and even then I probably still wouldn't do it. Or we have two top ten picks. I'm with you all the way on the Cowboys taking McFadden.
    Well I'm glad we abandoned your line of draft thinking that led us to draft the likes of Eb Ekuban in the past.

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    Well I'm glad we abandoned your line of draft thinking that led us to draft the likes of Eb Ekuban in the past.
    Jerry Jones needs to be flogged for that one.

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    Our Defense would have to continue playin as we did this past game, which i dont see happening, in order for me to agree with a Defense draft 1st round pick

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    Our Defense would have to continue playin as we did this past game, which i dont see happening, in order for me to agree with a Defense draft 1st round pick
    If we end up somewhere at pick #4 and McFadden is off the board, I'd say Dorsey is the pick (if available) and go WR or RB with our own 1st rounder.

    Limas Sweed and Malcom Kelly are last 1st round WR prospects I like.

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    I don't care if we have LT at running back. If McFadden is on the board when you pick, you take him. You don't draft for need in the first round. You take the best player on the board, and solve the position logjam or holes later.

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    I don't care if we have LT at running back. If McFadden is on the board when you pick, you take him. You don't draft for need in the first round. You take the best player on the board, and solve the position logjam or holes later.

    I didn't know Matt Millen was a part of this board.

    Go figure.

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    I didn't know Matt Millen was a part of this board.

    Go figure.
    I said take the best player - not take a wide receiver, regardless.

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    So if Romo has a stellar season, you'd still take Brohm, assuming he's there?

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    I guess I missed who the can't miss, game changing offensive player in that draft was.
    And I guess I missed who the cant miss prospect was in Mario's draft

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    And I guess I missed who the cant miss prospect was in Mario's draft
    Maybe you've heard of Reggie Bush and Vince Young?

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    Maybe you've heard of Reggie Bush and Vince Young?

    Yea, I heard of them, a 10 carry runningback and a qb who is about as inaccurate as they come, niether still have really proven anything.
    I'll wait and see what Mario ends up doing this year before I pass judgment on the pick. If he ends up with 10 plus sacks I dont think the Texans will be regretting the pick.And Bush might not even be the third or fouth best back in that draft

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    Yea, I heard of them, a 10 carry runningback and a qb who is about as inaccurate as they come, niether still have really proven anything.
    I'll wait and see what Mario ends up doing this year before I pass judgment on the pick. If he ends up with 10 plus sacks I dont think the Texans will be regretting the pick.
    I don't think Reggie and Vince are that great either... but trust me, the Texans are already regretting it. Especially when ticket sales and merchandising numbers come in. Another great example is how Houston games aren't shown in Austin because they are pre-empted by ans games. When you can't carry a city a mere 250 miles away, that is just sad.

    But on the field, the Texans are likely regretting it to. Obviously, the right situation matters a lot, and I think Reggie or Vince wouldn't have done much in Houston, but both would have at least brought excitment to the team, which is an intangable that DOES matter.

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    So if Romo has a stellar season, you'd still take Brohm, assuming he's there?
    If Brohm is far and away the best player on the board at that time - especially with Brad Johnson the current backup. The most talented players will find the field.

    If it gets to a point where players are rated closely, or even - sure go with whatever fills what you need. But, don't pass up on McFadden because you need a pass rusher.

    While Mario Williams may turn out great - he's not going to have the impact Reggie Bush has.

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    If Brohm is far and away the best player on the board at that time - especially with Brad Johnson the current backup. The most talented players will find the field.

    If it gets to a point where players are rated closely, or even - sure go with whatever fills what you need. But, don't pass up on McFadden because you need a pass rusher.

    While Mario Williams may turn out great - he's not going to have the impact Reggie Bush has.
    There are a few positions where the "best player" theory just doesn't hold water. If you have LT, you don't take McFadden. If you have Peyton Manning, you don't take Brian Brohm or any other QB. You trade the pick and get value.

    I'm sure the Chargers would rather have Drew Brees any of the other non-QB top 10 picks in that draft than Phillip Rivers (okay, maybe not Reggie Williams).

    Hmmmm... maybe you can justify a running back... because I could see having LT and drafting Peterson last year... but you better have an offensive coordinator who can find a way to use them both for 25 touches a game.

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    So, essentially King, you're saying not to reach for a need and I agree with that. Ideally, the team would trade down but that never seems to be easy in the top 5.

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    If Brohm is far and away the best player on the board at that time - especially with Brad Johnson the current backup. The most talented players will find the field.

    If it gets to a point where players are rated closely, or even - sure go with whatever fills what you need. But, don't pass up on McFadden because you need a pass rusher.

    While Mario Williams may turn out great - he's not going to have the impact Reggie Bush has.
    Maybe, just because he is an offensive guy, but Bush might also turn out to be just a change of pace back that will never be able to run through the tackles or carry the ball 20 times a game.
    And I dont think anyone would be reaching taking Dorsey wherever he goes, that guy is a sure thing and a game changer. He will make an impact immediately

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    Right - I completely agree with the trading down to acquire more. I would have been find with Brady Quinn last year, but I like Cleveland's number one this year better.

    And yeah, I'm saying don't reach for need. If Dorsey and McFadden are ranked the same on a team's board - go with whichever you need more. But, if McFadden is the far and away top rated player - but you need a pass rush, so you go with Dorsey - that's when teams run into trouble.

    And I'm just using those names as examples.

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    I've always thought that if you have a young QB that you just signed to a big money extension (which is what Romo will be if he plays well) you don't draft a QB with the 1st round pick and basically have to pay huge money for a backup QB. That's too much against the cap for one position, and you are basically putting yourself in a position to lose one of the QB's in a couple of years. I think you look to see if there is a stud skill position player that stands out from the pack, like Peterson this year, or else try to trade down for a few additional high round picks.

    I think the Cowboys defense will be pretty good once Newman and Ellis return and everyone gets used to playing in the new scheme. I don't think it'll be the best in the NFL, but should be top 10 overall.

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    Don't forget that Jerry Jones went to Arkansas. There's no way he passes on McFadden. If Dallas gets him then wow, that trade might go down as a bigger steal than the Herschel Walker trade.

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    Who would you rather have, Ronnie Lott or Charles Haley?
    Charles Haley was god incarnate.

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    Who would you rather have, Ronnie Lott or Charles Haley?
    Ronnie Lott

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