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Can I remind everyone this thread is all speculation based on an entirely unfounded, unsubstantiated rumor somebody dropped to start it?
It seems people have to throw up some utterly unlikely trade idea whenever the season hits a dead spot. It's pretty lame.
All I have to say is that of all the potential trade possibilities presented here, not one of them could even remotely be considered a "blockbuster".
The voice of reason...No way do the Spurs take that risk. Pop's not that unhappy with Rasho, he's not going to risk his defense being ruined for the next 4 years. Bird rights or not.
I could see them moving Malik though, going with Malone and Horry the rest of this season...bringing in Scola next season...Or going with Marks and Horry next season if Scola is part of the deal. And call it a hunch but I have a feeling Malik is Skiles kind of player. If they were to do a trade I think Malik would be a part of it more than any other player.
ttthe belattted "voice of reason" whottt.
Spurs only make such a move with Malone on his way. The Spurs would basically be test driving Curry to see if he's worth a long term deal. If he doesn't work out then they would have the opportunity to attempt to force a sign and trade to get something in return. I'm not sure, but they would pretty much be capped out even without Rasho's contract so free agency wouldn't be much of an option.
spurs would have bird rights to the player they have though
they could go over the cap but will they
rember no luxcury tax most liley in to cba
Curry could also demand the max or get offered more money than the Spurs want to pay...Just because the Spurs might be willing to go over the cap doesn't mean they are willing to sign a bad contract or have that situation held over their head.
Curry's not that much(max deal) better than Rasho.
Yikes, is that supposed to be in English?spurs would have bird rights to the player they have though
they could go over the cap but will they
rember no luxcury tax most liley in to cba
IMO, if the Spurs do a trade it will be to clear wallet room for Devin, not to get a new starter.
Also keep in mind, this may very well be a cost cutting move by the Spurs front office.
NO ! DUCK
Ok, here is my opinion:
Curry is one of the most (if not the most, period) unmotivated players in the NBA that gets significant minutes on the court. If you thought Olowakandi was bad, you should see Curry play. He doesn't like playing basketball, he is on the court just for the money. I can guarantee you that after watching him playing the last 3 years, neither Pop, nor any other coach in this league will motivate him. In addition, he has zero, zip, nil, nada, none, basketball IQ. He is soo bad at making decisions on the court, that you wonder if his basketball IQ is actually brilliant, because he has close to negative 1 correlation of good decisions (you have to be very good to be that bad).
However, he does have the physical presence and athletic ability that may entice some teams to take risks (same thing could be said of Olowakandi). Potential is what most teams might buy: he might be good under the right system, he may improve, he could potentially be a great player, blah blah. Chicago Bulls fans are sick of the potential, and would gladly get rid of Curry for some quality players.
For the Spurs this trade is a bad proposition, because it will take more than one year for Curry to learn the system and start being productive (and this is the best case scenario). With all the shortcoming Rasho has (which are not few), he still would be much more productive than Curry, at the very least, for this year.
For those who think this is a cap relief, think again. If Curry leaves after this year in the free agency, the Spurs will still be over the cap, even after getting rid of Rasho's salary. In addition, we really don't know what will happen with the new CBA, so this point is moot.
I think in retrospect, Pop made a strategic error in going after Rasho and not Brad Miller (someone I wanted the Spurs to go after as strong as possible, back in the days). That would probably have meant no Brent Barry this year, but it may have also meant another championship ring last year, and probably another one for this year as well. The difference in salary is in the order of ~1.6M this year. Replace Rasho for Brad Miller on this team, and we have a dynasty.
Curry is the newer version of James Donaldson....all potential, no fire, no drive, totally unmotivated to excell to that potential.
I kinda wondered why the Spurs weren't more interested in Brad Miller as well...Forget Miller's offense, you'd think Pop would love a guy that isn't afraid to go and hammer the crud out of Shaq.
The main reason I think Pop didn't go after Miller...he aleady knew he had Rasho and he thought he had Jason Kidd. Remember, Pop went and worked out the deal with Rasho before Jason Kidd had even visited SA.
IIRC I think the Spurs had it worked out so they could sign Rasho and Jason Kidd.
So that was the plan...Kidd and Rasho. They probably figured Miller was out of their price range to sign and still get Kidd, and didn't want to waste time negotiating with him and lose out on Rasho...a guy willing to take less. They probably also expected they were going to be able to sign Jax using early bird rights...
So the core of the team that was planned was...Parker, Manu, Malik, Bruce, Duncan, Rasho, Jason Kidd, Stephen Jackson...
Then this summer we would have lost Manu...and Parker would have been more bitter than Jaques Chirac...
Eddy Curry = Kevin Duckworth?
The donuts Beno brings to games have a higher bball IQ than Curry.
Yes everyone knows that it's pure speculation that was in a Chicago newspaper. It's just fun conversation. If you think it's "lame", please just don't participate.Can I remind everyone this thread is all speculation based on an entirely unfounded, unsubstantiated rumor somebody dropped to start it?
It seems people have to throw up some utterly unlikely trade idea whenever the season hits a dead spot. It's pretty lame.
Damn, I had forgotten all about the Duck!
Actually Duckworth would probably be a pretty good center by today's standards. He wasn't the most mobile guy, but he was a widebody and a pretty decent shooter. I think Curry has more potential than the Duck ever had.
Rasho for Curry? That's like trading a pizza for a round, flat piece of dough covered in sauce, cheese, and assorted meat and vegetables. Assuming that this thing goes through neither club gains anything in particular and both teams lose money having to make new jerseys. Besides, for as little as Pop may like Rasho right now, does he really hate him enough to send him to Chicago?
[QUOTE]Curry also strikes me as someone with a fairly low bball IQ. The Spurs don't usually gravitate towards those types.[QUOTE]
It could be argued Malik has a low PLAYING IQ, but other than that, yeah I agree.
Ron Mercer's IQ was lower than mine too, wich tells alot.
This is all based on three facts: 1. Pop calling Rasho "awful" a week ago, 2. Bulls trying to trade Curry, 3. a Spurs scout at a Minnesota-Bulls game.
1. If you believe in Pop trading Rasho because he thought he was awful the last couple of weeks, then how many times would Parker have been traded already? Pop is often brutal to players, sometimes even through the media. Also you may have your opinions on how much good/bad Rasho brings to the game, but everyone knows Rasho is Pop's favourite player on the team (even Tony said it when he was asked the question). Whoever started this rumour must have very little insight into the Spurs organization.
2. There are sometimes players who have the talent but not the will to work on transforming that talent into actual skill. Some GM's will gamble on a players potential and keep their fingers crossed he changes somewhere down the road. As said above, there were a lot of people for a long time claiming that about Olowokandi, even as far as only two seasons ago, many people wanted him here. So far I don't see any indication Curry won't go down the same path as Olowokandi, and i doubt many coaches do either, this is why the Bulls have given up on him. If a guy has a problem with his weight at 22 (and i believe this didn't start this season), i wouldn't count on Pop changing him into a workoholic.
3. Minnesota are playing the Spurs soon. They are also probably percieved as their biggest rivals this year.
I know it's fun speculating trades during the long season, but i wonder if some people really believe this is actually going to happen.
I'll bow out of the thread. It just looked familiar to what "That Other Message Board" does: drop willfully misleading or false news in order to drum up message posts.Yes everyone knows that it's pure speculation that was in a Chicago newspaper. It's just fun conversation. If you think it's "lame", please just don't participate.
But as long as everyone's just playing with ideas and having fun, I'll quietly remove myself to the nearest "Malone, Good or Not?" thread.
How is it "willfully misleading or false news"? It was written in a paper in Chicago. And no one posted it to create hit counts. They posted it because it's Spurs-related. We don't make money off this forum (notice, no ads) so hit counts don't do much.
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