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    I think Ahmadinejad is a bad guy. Ahmadinejad thinks he's not a bad guy. He has an opposing point of view.

    In any event, what difference does it make to you if he speaks at Columbia or not? Aren't people fighting for Columbia's right to act foolishly in terms of who it chooses to associate with? Or is that fighting really intended to protect a society in which a popular majority should be able to censor points of views that others might wish to hear?
    Okay, the next time a Republican/Conservative is booed,
    faced with physical abuse and generally abused and not
    allowed to speak by the free thinkers, freedom loving,
    free speech types like you, I want to see some comment
    from you saying how they were abused and not allowed
    to give an opposing view. Like maybe the folks who
    are called "border viligantes". I am sure you will be
    right up front in defending them, the "border viligantes".

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    Okay, the next time a Republican/Conservative is booed,
    faced with physical abuse and generally abused and not
    allowed to speak by the free thinkers, freedom loving,
    free speech types like you, I want to see some comment
    from you saying how they were abused and not allowed
    to give an opposing view. Like maybe the folks who
    are called "border viligantes". I am sure you will be
    right up front in defending them, the "border viligantes".
    You really work hard to conflate notions.

    If crowds at Columbia want to harass and abuse Ahmadinejad, that's their prerogative. That's a price of free speech.

    My point is that Ahmadinejad shouldn't be denied a forum to speak just because of who he is; but I also don't think that Columbia owes him any obligation to protect him from the sorts of dissent that other speakers, conservative and liberals alike, face when they make public statements. I certainly would defend a university's decision to invite "border vigilantes" to speak on campus (I'm assuming you mean the Minutemen, and that you might even have been reminded somehow of a Minuteman speech at Columbia that erupted in protest). But I don't think that an invited speaker is owed insulation from criticism or disruption.

    I realize that you don't really operate in the realm of nuance, but that's not exactly a nuanced approach, IMO.

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    Its beyond my understanding why Columbia University wants this man to speak on their forum. Right or wrong, I know I wouldnt.

    Should make for good footage, I guess.

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    Columbia had Iran's Foreign Minister speak at this forum in 2003, well after the axis of evil spiel. Where were you guys then?

    Do you plan on ing about the president of Turkmenistan when he comes to speak Monday too?

    My hope is there will be some pointed questions for the leaders, or maybe someone gets tased.

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    wow... the notion of free speech has become a punch line for some. Yeah, this guy is s . His ideals are completely opposite to what our Western culture considers acceptable. This is true. However, how can people living in a country like the US not want to take the opportunity to prove the man wrong through intelligent discourse rather than at gun point? Why not make a fool of him through debate? Isn't anyone out there that can logically rebut this mans obviously faulty reasoning? I find that hard to believe.

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    wow... the notion of free speech has become a punch line for some. Yeah, this guy is s . His ideals are completely opposite to what our Western culture considers acceptable. This is true. However, how can people living in a country like the US not want to take the opportunity to prove the man wrong through intelligent discourse rather than at gun point? Why not make a fool of him through debate? Isn't anyone out there that can logically rebut this mans obviously faulty reasoning? I find that hard to believe.
    I think you point to a failing in our political discourse in recent times. I don't think there's a general willingness to tolerate an enemy, even a political enemy, having a forum to speak. The better approach, it seems of late, is to shout down anyone who might provide such a forum and, essentially, censor the speech before it can be made. Like I say, I think there is a distinction between inviting someone to speak and having an audience engage in disobedience that drowns out the speaker and refusing to allow someone a forum based solely on what that person might say.

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    if cir stances in Iraq were reversed, these same people that want him exterminated would gladly welcome him for the purpose of gloating, laughter and ridicule. there is no acceptable middle road. they know who they've been trained to hate.

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    Columbia had Iran's Foreign Minister speak at this forum in 2003, well after the axis of evil spiel. Where were you guys then?
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    -that was before oil was $80 a barrell

    -it was before he made friends with all of our enemies: North Korea, Russia, China, Cuba, and Iran

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    wow... the notion of free speech has become a punch line for some. Yeah, this guy is s . His ideals are completely opposite to what our Western culture considers acceptable. This is true. However, how can people living in a country like the US not want to take the opportunity to prove the man wrong through intelligent discourse rather than at gun point? Why not make a fool of him through debate? Isn't anyone out there that can logically rebut this mans obviously faulty reasoning? I find that hard to believe.
    Compelling argument. You have switched my position on the matter. cheers.

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    -that was before oil was $80 a barrell
    So now this is about oil?

    -it was before he made friends with all of our enemies: North Korea, Russia, China, Cuba, and Iran
    After the axis of evil speech. Try again.

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    MaNuMaNiA and FWD said it much better than I could have said.

    I'm listening to the Columbia president's introduction and it's very stirring in how his attacks at Ahmadinejad are registering.

    For anybody willing to give them a chance to speak and you to listen, there's a video link at this page.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20942057/

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    Ahmadinejad speaks at Columbia
    Columbia president said Ahmadinejad acts like a ‘petty and cruel dictator’
    The Associated Press
    Updated: 3:51 p.m. CT Sept 24, 2007

    NEW YORK - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad questioned the official version of the Sept. 11 attacks and defended the right to cast doubt on the Holocaust in a tense appearance at Columbia University, whose president accused the hard-line leader of behaving like “a petty and cruel dictator.”

    Columbia President Lee Bollinger and audience members took Ahmadinejad to task over Iran’s human-rights record and foreign policy, as well as Ahmadinejad’s statements denying the Holocaust and calling for the disappearance of Israel.

    Ahmadinejad smiled at first but appeared increasingly agitated, decrying the “insults” and “unfriendly treatment.”

    Bollinger said Ahmadinejad’s denial of the Holocaust might fool the illiterate and ignorant.

    “When you come to a place like this it makes you simply ridiculous,” Bollinger said. “The truth is that the Holocaust is the most do ented event in human history.”

    Ahmadinejad rose, also to applause, and after a religious invocation, said Bollinger’s opening was “an insult to information and the knowledge of the audience here.”

    “There were insults and claims that were incorrect, regretfully,” Ahmadinejad said, accusing Bollinger of falling under the influence of the hostile U.S. press and politicians. “I should not begin by being affected by this unfriendly treatment.”

    Iran aggression questioned
    Bollinger was strongly criticized for inviting Ahmadinejad to Columbia, and had promised tough questions in his introduction to Ahmadinejad’s talk. But the strident and personal nature of his attack on the president of Iran was startling.

    Bollinger described Ahmadinejad as having a "fanatical mindset" for making statements like wanting Israel to be “wiped off the map.”

    "Do you plan on wiping us off the map too?" Bollinger asked, also asking questions about allegations Iran was supplying insurgents in Iraq. "Can you tell them and us why Iran is fighting a proxy war in Iraq?"

    Ahmadinejad responded to boos and cheers that Iran is a "peace-loving nation."

    "We love all nations. We are friends with the Jewish people," he said.

    Ahmadinejad did not address all of Bollinger’s accusations directly, instead launching into a long religious discussion laced with quotes with the Quran before turning to criticism of the Bush administration and past American governments.

    Suzanne Maloney, a foreign policy fellow at the Brookings Ins ution, said Ahmadinejad’s softer tone on Israel in this speech may reflect backlash in his own country.

    “There’s been widespread commentary in Iran, even on the far-right, that Ahmadinejad’s position on Israel has hurt the country’s diplomatic relations,” said Maloney. “The fact that he was frankly unwilling to go as far as he has in the past suggests there may have been some consequences for him at home.”

    Ahmadinejad affirms Holocaust existence
    During a question-and-answer session, Ahmadinejad appeared tense and unsmiling, in contrast to more relaxed interviews and appearances earlier in the day.

    In response to one audience member, Ahmadinejad denied he was questioning the existence of the Holocaust: “Granted this happened, what does it have to do with the Palestinian people?”

    But then he said he was defending the rights of European scholars, an apparent reference to a small number who have been prosecuted under national laws for denying or minimizing the Holocaust.

    “There’s nothing known as absolute,” he said.

    He reiterated his desire to visit ground zero to express sympathy with the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, but then appeared to question whether al-Qaida was responsible.

    “Why did this happen? What caused it? What conditions led to it?” he said. “Who truly was involved? Who was really involved and put it all together?”

    'We don't have sexuals'
    Asked about executions of sexuals in Iran, Ahmadinejad said the judiciary system executed violent criminals and high-level drug dealers, comparing them to microbes eliminated through medical treatment. Pressed specifically about punishment of sexuals, he said: “In Iran we don’t have sexuals like in your country.”

    With the audience laughing derisively, he continued: “In Iran we do not have this phenomenon. I don’t know who’s told you that we have this.”

    Bush responds to Columbia visit
    President Bush said Ahmadinejad’s appearance at Columbia “speaks volumes about really the greatness of America.”

    He told Fox News Channel that if Bollinger considers Ahmadinejad’s visit an educational experience for Columbia students, “I guess it’s OK with me.”

    Other American officials were less sympathetic.

    On Capitol Hill, conservatives said Columbia should not have invited Ahmadinejad to speak. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said “there is a world of difference between not preventing Ahmadinejad from speaking and handing a megalomaniac a megaphone and a stage to use it.”

    Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., said he thought Columbia’s invitation to Ahmadinejad was a mistake “because he comes literally with blood on his hands.”

    Thousands protest event
    Thousands of people jammed two blocks of 47th Street across from the United Nations to protest Ahmadinejad’s visit to New York. Organizers claimed a turnout of tens of thousands. Police did not immediately have a crowd estimate.

    The speakers, most of them politicians and officials from Jewish organizations, proclaimed their support for Israel and criticized the Iranian leader for his remarks questioning the Holocaust.

    “We’re here today to send a message that there is never a reason to give a hatemonger an open stage,” New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said.

    Protesters also assembled at Columbia. Dozens stood near the lecture hall where Ahmadinejad was scheduled to speak, linking arms and singing traditional Jewish folk songs about peace and brotherhood, while nearby a two-person band played “You Are My Sunshine.”

    Signs in the crowd displayed a range of messages, including one that read “We refuse to choose between Islamic fundamentalism and American imperialism.”

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.

    URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20942057/

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    President Lee C. Bollinger's Introductory Remarks at SIPA-World Leaders Forum with President of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

    Sept. 24, 2007

    I would like to begin by thanking Dean John Coatsworth and Professor Richard Bulliet for their work in organizing this event and for their commitment to the role of the School of International and Public Affairs and its role in training future leaders in world affairs. If today proves anything it will be that there is an enormous amount of work ahead for all of us. This is just one of many events on Iran that will run throughout this academic year, all to help us better understand this critical and complex nation in today’s geopolitics.

    Before speaking directly to the current President of Iran, I have a few critically important points to emphasize.

    First, since 2003, the World Leaders Forum has advanced Columbia’s longstanding tradition of serving as a major forum for robust debate, especially on global issues. It should never be thought that merely to listen to ideas we deplore in any way implies our endorsement of those ideas, or the weakness of our resolve to resist those ideas or our naiveté about the very real dangers inherent in such ideas. It is a critical premise of freedom of speech that we do not honor the dishonorable when we open the public forum to their voices. To hold otherwise would make vigorous debate impossible.

    Second, to those who believe that this event never should have happened, that it is inappropriate for the University to conduct such an event, I want to say that I understand your perspective and respect it as reasonable. The scope of free speech and academic freedom should itself always be open to further debate. As one of the more famous quotations about free speech goes, it is “an experiment, as all life is an experiment.” I want to say, however, as forcefully as I can, that this is the right thing to do and, indeed, it is required by existing norms of free speech, the American university, and Columbia itself.

    Third, to those among us who experience hurt and pain as a result of this day, I say on behalf of all of us we are sorry and wish to do what we can to alleviate it.

    Fourth, to be clear on another matter - this event has nothing whatsoever to do with any “rights” of the speaker but only with our rights to listen and speak. We do it for ourselves.

    We do it in the great tradition of openness that has defined this nation for many decades now. We need to understand the world we live in, neither neglecting its glories nor shrinking from its threats and dangers. It is consistent with the idea that one should know thine enemies, to have the intellectual and emotional courage to confront the mind of evil and to prepare ourselves to act with the right temperament. In the moment, the arguments for free speech will never seem to match the power of the arguments against, but what we must remember is that this is precisely because free speech asks us to exercise extraordinary self- restraint against the very natural but often counter-productive impulses that lead us to retreat from engagement with ideas we dislike and fear. In this lies the genius of the American idea of free speech.

    Lastly, in universities, we have a deep and almost single-minded commitment to pursue the truth. We do not have access to the levers of power. We cannot make war or peace. We can only make minds. And to do this we must have the most full freedom of inquiry.

    Let me now turn to Mr. Ahmadinejad.

    * THE BRUTAL CRACKDOWN ON SCHOLARS, JOURNALISTS AND HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCATES

    Over the last two weeks, your government has released Dr. Haleh Esfandiari and Parnaz Axima; and just two days ago Kian Tajbakhsh, a graduate of Columbia with a PhD in urban planning. While our community is relieved to learn of his release on bail, Dr. Tajbakhsh remains in Teheran, under house arrest, and he still does not know whether he will be charged with a crime or allowed to leave the country. Let me say this for the record, I call on the President today to ensure that Kian Tajbaksh will be free to travel out of Iran as he wishes. Let me also report today that we are extending an offer to Dr. Tajbaksh to join our faculty as a visiting professor in urban planning here at his Alma Mater, in our Graduate School of Architecture, Planning and Preservation. And we hope he will be able to join us next semester.

    The arrest and imprisonment of these Iranian Americans for no good reason is not only unjustified, it runs completely counter to the very values that allow today’s speaker to even appear on this campus.

    But at least they are alive.

    According to Amnesty International, 210 people have been executed in Iran so far this year – 21 of them on the morning of September 5th alone. This annual total includes at least two children – further proof, as Human Rights Watch puts it, that Iran leads the world in executing minors.

    There is more.

    Iran hanged up to 30 people this past July and August during a widely reported suppression of efforts to establish a more open, democratic society in Iran. Many of these executions were carried out in public view, a violation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Iran is a party.

    These executions and others have coincided with a wider crackdown on student activists and academics accused of trying to foment a so-called “soft revolution”. This has included jailing and forced retirements of scholars. As Dr. Esfandiari said in a broadcast interview since her release, she was held in solitary confinement for 105 days because the government “believes that the United States . . . is planning a Velvet Revolution” in Iran.

    In this very room last year we learned something about Velvet Revolutions from Vaclav Havel. And we will likely hear the same from our World Leaders Forum speaker this evening – President Mic e Bachelet Jeria of Chile. Both of their extraordinary stories remind us that there are not enough prisons to prevent an entire society that wants its freedom from achieving it.

    We at this university have not been shy to protest and challenge the failures of our own government to live by these values; and we won’t be shy in criticizing yours.

    Let’s, then, be clear at the beginning, Mr. President you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator.

    And so I ask you:

    Why have women, members of the Baha’i faith, sexuals and so many of our academic colleagues become targets of persecution in your country?

    Why in a letter last week to the Secretary General of the UN did Akbar Gangi, Iran’s leading political dissident, and over 300 public intellectuals, writers and Nobel Laureates express such grave concern that your inflamed dispute with the West is distracting the world’s attention from the intolerable conditions your regime has created within Iran? In particular, the use of the Press Law to ban writers for criticizing the ruling system.

    Why are you so afraid of Iranian citizens expressing their opinions for change?

    In our country, you are interviewed by our press and asked that you to speak here today. And while my colleague at the Law School Michael Dorf spoke to Radio Free Europe [sic, Voice of America] viewers in Iran a short while ago on the tenets of freedom of speech in this country, I propose going further than that. Let me lead a delegation of students and faculty from Columbia to address your university about free speech, with the same freedom we afford you today? Will you do that?

    * THE DENIAL OF THE HOLOCAUST

    In a December 2005 state television broadcast, you described the Holocaust as a “fabricated” “legend.” One year later, you held a two-day conference of Holocaust deniers.

    For the illiterate and ignorant, this is dangerous propaganda. When you come to a place like this, this makes you, quite simply, ridiculous. You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated.

    You should know that Columbia is a world center of Jewish studies and now, in partnership with the YIVO Ins ute, of Holocaust studies. Since the 1930s, we’ve provided an intellectual home for countless Holocaust refugees and survivors and their children and grandchildren. The truth is that the Holocaust is the most do ented event in human history. Because of this, and for many other reasons, your absurd comments about the “debate” over the Holocaust both defy historical truth and make all of us who continue to fear humanity’s capacity for evil shudder at this closure of memory, which is always virtue’s first line of defense.

    Will you cease this outrage?

    * THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL

    Twelve days ago, you said that the state of Israel “cannot continue its life.” This echoed a number of inflammatory statements you have delivered in the last two years, including in October 2005 when you said that Israel should be “wiped off the map.”

    Columbia has over 800 alumni currently living in Israel. As an ins ution we have deep ties with our colleagues there. I personally have spoken out in the most forceful terms against proposals to boycott Israeli scholars and universities, saying that such boycotts might as well include Columbia. More than 400 college and university presidents in this country have joined in that statement. My question, then, is: Do you plan on wiping us off the map, too?

    * FUNDING TERRORISM

    According to reports by the Council on Foreign Relations, it’s well do ented that Iran is a state sponsor of terror that funds such violent group as the Lebanese Hezbollah, which Iran helped organize in the 1980s, the Palestinian Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

    While your predecessor government was instrumental in providing the US with intelligence and base support in its 2001 campaign against the Taliban in Afghanistan, your government is now undermining American troops in Iraq by funding, arming, and providing safe transit to insurgent leaders like Muqtada al-Sadr and his forces.

    There are a number of reports that also link your government with Syria’s efforts to destabalize the fledgling Lebanese government through violence and political assassination.

    My question is this: Why do you support well-do ented terrorist organizations that continue to strike at peace and democracy in the Middle East, destroying lives and civil society in the region?

    * PROXY WAR AGAINST U.S. TROOPS IN IRAQ

    In a briefing before the National Press Club earlier this month, General David Petraeus reported that arms supplies from Iran, including 240mm rockets and explosively formed projectiles, are contributing to “a sophistication of attacks that would by no means be possible without Iranian support.”

    A number of Columbia graduates and current students are among the brave members of our military who are serving or have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. They, like other Americans with sons, daughters, fathers, husbands and wives serving in combat, rightly see your government as the enemy.

    Can you tell them and us why Iran is fighting a proxy war in Iraq by arming Shi’a militia targeting and killing U.S. troops?

    * FINALLY, IRAN’S NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND INTERNATIONAL SANCTIONS

    This week the United Nations Security Council is contemplating expanding sanctions for a third time because of your government’s refusal to suspend its uranium-enrichment program. You continue to defy this world body by claiming a right to develop peaceful nuclear power, but this hardly withstands scrutiny when you continue to issue military threats to neighbors. Last week, French President Sarkozy made clear his lost patience with your stall tactics; and even Russia and China have shown concern.

    Why does your country continue to refuse to adhere to international standards for nuclear weapons verification in defiance of agreements that you have made with the UN nuclear agency? And why have you chosen to make the people of your country vulnerable to the effects of international economic sanctions and threaten to engulf the world with nuclear annihilation?

    Let me close with this comment. Frankly, and in all candor, Mr. President, I doubt that you will have the intellectual courage to answer these questions. But your avoiding them will in itself be meaningful to us. I do expect you to exhibit the fanatical mindset that characterizes so much of what you say and do. Fortunately, I am told by experts on your country, that this only further undermines your position in Iran with all the many good-hearted, intelligent citizens there. A year ago, I am reliably told, your preposterous and belligerent statements in this country (as in your meeting at the Council on Foreign Relations) so embarrassed sensible Iranian citizens that this led to your party’s defeat in the December mayoral elections. May this do that and more.

    I am only a professor, who is also a university president, and today I feel all the weight of the modern civilized world yearning to express the revulsion at what you stand for. I only wish I could do better.

    http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/07/0...ngremarks.html

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    I want to take one line out of Bollinger's speech and apply it here.

    For the illiterate and ignorant, this is dangerous propaganda.
    While I may disagree with a number of you, illiteracy and ignorance are not terms I associate with you. You are this nation as are we. We're better than the likes of Ahmadinejad... so why do some wish to silence dissent as he does?

    You have strong opinions as I do -- many times they differ, sometimes they do not -- but I do not see where Columbia University has given President Admadinejad "free reign" to run wild.

    Listen to those in the audience (I'm listening to his speech now), they don't agree with this man's views, and if they did, this speech didn't convert them. Let this man -- who whether we like it or not is a powerful man who can greatly affect the United States should he choose -- express his thoughts as he chooses. We have the ability to disagree.

    We proclaim to be this country of freedoms, this country of the freedom to believe what we choose and voice those opinions.

    Let him have his time, because I'm quite certain you'll use yours in a much better fashion than he.

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    I don't normally find myself agreeing with President Bush, but thank you, Mr. President for this statement...

    President Bush said Ahmadinejad’s appearance at Columbia “speaks volumes about really the greatness of America.”

    He told Fox News Channel that if Bollinger considers Ahmadinejad’s visit an educational experience for Columbia students, “I guess it’s OK with me.”

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    he's going to bomb Columbia University first..

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    I find this incredibly stupid on Ahmadinejad's part. He should have never accepted this invitation, if he did not want to be criticized/ridiculed. Come on, it's no-brainer Ahmad.

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    The whole debate went exactly as I thought and hoped it would go. Ahmadinejad's arguments were baseless and most of his retorts contradicted his previous stances on Israel, the Holocaust and Nuclear energy. It seemed as though he was sugar coating his answers compared to previous public appearances. Bollinger did a of a job putting Ahmadinejad on the spot I thought.

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    Unfortunately, I think all this hubbub going on about his visit might have empowered him more.

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    I want to take one line out of Bollinger's speech and apply it here.



    While I may disagree with a number of you, illiteracy and ignorance are not terms I associate with you. You are this nation as are we. We're better than the likes of Ahmadinejad... so why do some wish to silence dissent as he does?

    You have strong opinions as I do -- many times they differ, sometimes they do not -- but I do not see where Columbia University has given President Admadinejad "free reign" to run wild.

    Listen to those in the audience (I'm listening to his speech now), they don't agree with this man's views, and if they did, this speech didn't convert them. Let this man -- who whether we like it or not is a powerful man who can greatly affect the United States should he choose -- express his thoughts as he chooses. We have the ability to disagree.

    We proclaim to be this country of freedoms, this country of the freedom to believe what we choose and voice those opinions.

    Let him have his time, because I'm quite certain you'll use yours in a much better fashion than he.
    I know I couldn't have said this any better.

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    Blogging Ahmadinejad's talk and his visit to Morningside Heights via Columbia Spectator:

    http://columbiaspectator.com/ahmadinejad/index.php

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    Don't you love this country? Ahmadinejad also has the right to shut the up.....first no gays in Iran...yeah, cause you hung them all you evil bas s....then...

    From the CBS interview:

    PELLEY: Mr. President, you say you love all nations. I have to assume that includes the Nation of Israel.

    AHMADINEJAD: Israel is not a nation.
    CBS News

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    Mr. A'hmhavin'aJihad is incorrect. There are in fact three types of sexuals in Iran: those who have been executed, those who will be executed, and those who will flee. He would be correct if he had qualified it as "living openly". That would be the suicidal equivalent of wearing a Khomeni Sucks T-Shirt, complete with likeness, in Tehran's marketplace.

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    The rushbo effect might be working in Ahmad's favor...



    The image of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran, looking down on a street in Tehran.

    By MICHAEL SLACKMAN
    Published: September 24, 2007


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    Since his inauguration two years ago, Mr. Ahmadinejad has grabbed headlines around the world, and in Iran, for outrageous statements that often have no more likelihood of being put into practice than his plan for women to attend soccer games. He has generated controversy in New York in recent days by asking to visit ground zero — a request that was denied — and his scheduled appearance at Columbia University has drawn protests.

    But it is because of his provocative remarks, like denying the Holocaust and calling for Israel to be wiped off the map, that the United States and Europe have never known quite how to handle him. In demonizing Mr. Ahmadinejad, the West has served him well, elevating his status at home and in the region at a time when he is increasingly isolated politically because of his go-it-alone style and ineffective economic policies, according to Iranian politicians, officials and political experts.

    Political analysts here say they are surprised at the degree to which the West focuses on their president, saying that it reflects a general misunderstanding of their system.

    Unlike in the United States, in Iran the president is not the head of state nor the commander in chief. That status is held by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader, whose role combines civil and religious authority. At the moment, this president’s power comes from two sources, they say: the unqualified support of the supreme leader, and the international condemnation he manages to generate when he speaks up.

    “The United States pays too much attention to Ahmadinejad,” said an Iranian political scientist who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal. “He is not that consequential.”
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