I assume they're refering to sign with a team in Europe
If it's that :
First, the fact that Spurs wanted to send Williams in Europe is just an assumption made by some people on this board.
Second, Williams left the college to play in nba. If Spurs blame him because he wants to try his chance in nba instead of going in Europe, it's damn lame.
I like going over silly scenarios in my head. Here's mine for Viktor that they might have even had in mind for Marcus.
1) RC told me that the Spurs were trying to get the rules concerning the rights to regular Toros players (not under contract with the Spurs). He didn't elaborate, but it's obvious he wants to be able to keep control over players being developed on the Toros.
2) Viktor doesn't have a team, and teams in Europe are already playing game.
3) The Spurs ask the league if Viktor can play for the Toros as a D-League player, citing the example of Ricky Sanchez, who played for the Idaho Stampede while his rights were held by the Denver Nuggets and prevented his being called up by any other team.
4) The league balks, saying the players' union wouldn't go for it. Spurs counter by saying it has already been done and the Spurs are doing their part by carrying a full roster into the season.
5) If the league still refuses, the Spurs encourage Viktor to sign with the Rio Grande Silverados as a free agent where he can play basketball five miles from the D-League arena where the Toros play when they come to town. Spurs about it to the media every chance they get, and promise the league pictures of Viktor watching a Vipers/Toros game while wearing a Continental Basketball Association cap and Silverados practice jersey will make the rounds on the internets.
6) NBA quietly allows Viktor to be allocated to the Toros and grants them and the Lakers a limited right of first refusal for D-League call ups from their respective teams.
Uh, no. The Spurs house mouthpiece columnist just did a piece last week where the team REALLY wanted him to go to Europe next year.
He isn't ready. Second round picks usually aren't. The Spurs aren't lame, they're realistic. Even if he were to make the 15th roster spot, he won't be playing more than a few garbage NBA minutes this season. He'll be in Austin playing against a lower level of compe ion than Europe, and probably developing slower.
That's kind of debatable. What level is he ready for? Eurolague? French A? Lega Due? Finland? I'm not sure, but I am sure that the Spurs have much less control over his development on a Euro team then they would in Austin. I can't say that I was satisfied about the minutes and roles guys like Ian and Viktor played on their respective teams last season. Isn't it better from the Spurs standpoint to have them play in the Spurs system on a team that exists solely to develop players in that system and plays games on a level somewhere between the A and B leagues of the best European national basketball organizations?
Maybe you should re-read that article.
You don't have to be nba ready to be on a nba roster. Most of the nba teams have nba prospects on their roster that aren't nba ready, there is even the DLeague to give them some playtime.
Marcus Williams has left the college to play in nba. Spurs have drafted him knowing that. Spurs knew too that as a sop re he likely wasn't nba ready.
If Spurs blame him for not wanting to go in Europe, they are lame and they shouldn't have drafted him.
so basically the spurs have signed 5-6 buckets of for millions and scola and d brown sign for triple peanuts with other teams and the spurs are still ing around with tools that can't play on a ty summer league...
and tpark wants to drive to austin to see a team that couldn't win a spurstalk tourney..
what a up.
You need to reboot your CIA Pop Translator. If you didn't see that article as a blatant call for Williams to go to Europe, you missed the point of the article.
What's with all the Bruno Spurs hate this offseason? It's lame to say the Spurs are lame for wanting a disappointing second round pick to go to Europe.
What some are missing in their thinking regarding Williams is the fact that if Williams plays in Europe, he doesn't cost the Spurs anything. Right now, it doesn't look like he's worth the money to develop him on an D-League roster. It's easy to say the D-League is better for him ... until you realize the price difference.
And yeah he was a sop re but the Spurs thought he was better than he turned out to be. Buck Harvey, who has never seen a summer league game in his life, said Williams played poorly in summer league. You don't think that was a spoon fed opinion straight from the Spurs?
If Williams would have been decent during summer league, I'd be fine with the D-League route. He was horrible so yes, I understand why the Spurs wanted to ship him to Europe to see if he'd ever develop into anything without wasting their own money and roster spot on him. And no, the Spurs aren't lame for doing so.
P.S.
Bruno, you seem to be Williams' biggest backer. I'm just wondering if you watched any of the summer league action. If I had to guess, I would guess you didn't or else you wouldn't be throwing around these "lame" accusations.
Wasn't the point of the article to flatere timvp's ego ?
I haven't said that.
I have nothing against Spurs wanting to send Williams in Europe. I have something against Spurs blaming Williams for making the choice to play in nba.
I've watched Vegas SL games and Williams wasn't good at all.
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Besides that.
Did you read the article? Or at least look at the le?
You don't blame the Spurs for wanting Williams to go to Europe but you blame the Spurs if they wanted Williams to go to Europe and Williams didn't want to go.
Got it.
So how can you blame the Spurs for wanting him to produce on someone else's dime? What is lame about that?
if the spurs were not going to use the 15 spot on anyone else I am happy with this move.
if spurs can get someone else then they can either cut him or they can cut beno or trade him to the cavs for that trade exception. (ferry is being spur trader so far)
timvp is in his Fox Mulder mode.
He wants to believe.
No you didn't.
when you draft a NCAA player and it's even more the case for an underclassman, you had to accept that he wants to try to play in nba, even if he sucks during the SL.
Link ?
I agree if you Draft and the player is a ncaa underclassmen it is more unlikely that he will not want to go to europe to play
if he was from overthere he would be more inclined to
Actually, timvp is in his reading comprehension mode.
The Spurs don't have to accept anything. This is about winning championships, not making sure some second round pick doesn't get his feelings hurt. If the Spurs nudged Williams toward Europe and he didn't want to go, there is nothing lame about being disappointed.
And what's with this new rule you invented about how only college seniors can be asked to go to Europe? Guillermo Diaz and Alex Acker came out of school early and went on to play in Europe. That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are plenty of example throughout the years.
You can't invent new rules and then blame the Spurs for not following those new rules. In fact, it makes more sense sending a younger player to Europe because you know they could improve. With a college senior, you pretty much know what you are going to get.
If Williams was asked to go to Europe and refused, that's on him. You can't say the Spurs are lame because they asked some second rounder to go to Europe because he broke down new barriers of suck during summer league. If he didn't want to go to Europe, he should have played better. He's lucky the Spurs didn't just throw him to the curb after that SL performance.
The only thing lame here is how Williams has played so far.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78549
Doesn't everyone realize that only about 15-20 of even the late FIRST rounders make the NBA every year. The odds on 2nd round picks are even higher.
No one should get too excited about this because of a few 2nd rounders with talent that we've stolen.
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If I was Williams I wouldn't go over as the Spurs property either. I'd force them to sign me or release me. What's in it for Williams to go for the Spurs? He goes and gets better as Spurs property he's dependent on them as to when he's bought over and up to the NBA and it's on a second round deal. He goes and gets better as an unrestricted player and he can deal with any team and at contract terms that are the best he can get.
Williams can do whatever he wants. I don't blame him if his plan is to force the Spurs to either roster him or waive him. That's his choice.
But I do have a problem with someone thinking the Spurs are the bad guy in this scenario. Just as Williams has his options, the Spurs have their options. One of their options is to nudge Williams to Europe or the D-League without having to sign him. If he refuses, fine, the Spurs obviously won't like it but that doesn't make the Spurs "lame".
Williams put himself in this unique situation by being so horrible in summer league. The Spurs don't deserve any blame no matter what they end up doing with Williams. They could tell him to play in the WNBA for all I care.
When I saw this thread I thought you were talking about Marcus Williams of the Nets..the PG who comes off the bench only because the Nets have J Kidd. I am glad I was wrong.
I don't get what all the fuss is about....
Spurs used their 15th roster spot and chump change on a young kid they invested an early second round pick on just a few months ago. They evaluated him in the summer league and probably noted two things. First, he has a LONG way to go offensively. Two, and probably most important, he has good defensive ability and a willingness to improve.
Seems like a good move on a long-term investment for this team...but one that has no bearing on this season and possibly not next season either.
Again, what's the big deal?
And who cares if he should've gone to Europe or not...
What's done is done. Marcus Williams will spend training camp with the Spurs and most of next season with the Toros.
To me, it makes the most sense. His biggest weakness is shooting and less than 60 miles away will be one of the best shooting coaches in the world.
Good move for Marcus and the Spurs...
I don't think anyone is claiming there is a "big deal" involved.
The question, however, is whether Williams signed the tender offer or whether the Spurs actually made a commitment to him. There's a huge difference in those two scenarios.
I wouldn't engrave that is stone just yet. If Williams signed the tender, there's a pretty high chance he doesn't make it out of training camp.
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