WWII interrogators speak out against "enhanced interrogation techniques" (torture)

[clambake]

must have gotten lonely on that farm

[Wild Cobra]

Tell me exactly what you have been sodomized with, who did it and how it made you feel.

Is that necessary? Now you are being cruel. Trying to get me to say you are torturing me?

Let's try something else here. What were the Abu Graib criminals trying to accomplish? Were they interrogating the prisoners, or just being sadistic?

What have the real interrogators done to torture? Why do it when we have an arsenal of drugs available that if they don't work, other techniques won't work either, will they?

Am I wrong to assume that it isn't really your point that some sick individuals placed prisoners in distress and pain, but you want someone to say that torture is a practice exercised in secret rather than the drugs known to work? The problem is, situations like Abu Graib is all you have. You have no real evidence of real torture.

It just doesn't make sense beyond the value it has as propaganda.

[Wild Cobra]

You just compared a pole up the ass to a paper cut and you're wondering what I was laughing at.

Not at all. Do you really think he meant a telephone pole up someones ass? Reality check please...

[Medvedenko]

Cobra dude...give it up...you're embarrassing yourself with each inane post you spew out. Forced Sodomy, sexual victimization and videotaped evidence of acts that go beyond anything resembling humane treatment of prisoners and you say....not torture... you are a dumb bas and I really pray you or your family doesn't have to go through any of these ordeals. Still, the Mcain speech you question...they guy you even said is the source that you trust on (torture).....keep coming....I just love the fact that you provided a definition and stick to it like it's the be all end all.....

Wild Cobra: It's all semantics really........

911: They weren't really terrorists...just regular murderers....nothing more nothing less....

[ChumpDumper]

Is that necessary?

It is absolutely necessary for you to describe your experiences with sodomy to back up your claim that a stick forced up the ass is no worse than a paper cut.

[clambake]

It is absolutely necessary for you to describe your experiences with sodomy to back up your claim that a stick forced up the ass is no worse than a paper cut.

you are a riot!!!

[Extra Stout]

We're going about this the wrong way. I believe we would have better international relations if we let the changes ending torture occur naturally, rather than by the force of legislation.

[Extra Stout]

Wild Cobra is definitely mainstream and not at all a nutcase. Normal, ordinary Americans believe we should execute people for felony theft. Few people would regard forced sodomy with foreign objects as cruel or abnormal behavior. And the typical American opinion regarding human trafficking around the world is that we should allow it to go away naturally.

[clambake]

Wild Cobra is definitely mainstream and not at all a nutcase. Normal, ordinary Americans believe we should execute people for felony theft. Few people would regard forced sodomy with foreign objects as cruel or abnormal behavior. And the typical American opinion regarding human trafficking around the world is that we should allow it to go away naturally.

if only the south had won

[Wild Cobra]

It is absolutely necessary for you to describe your experiences with sodomy to back up your claim that a stick forced up the ass is no worse than a paper cut.

Sorry, I have no experience with sodomy. You know I wasn't saying it was the same as a paper cut, so please stop being intellectually dishonest.

[Spurminator]

Not at all. Do you really think he meant a telephone pole up someones ass? Reality check please...

No. I think he meant what he said. What kind of pole do you interpret it to be? What is the threshold for forced sodomy to be torture vs. mild discomfort?

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, I have no experience with sodomy. You know I wasn't saying it was the same as a paper cut, so please stop being intellectually dishonest.

Your idea of excruciating pain and terror must fall a bit short of what it really means. I'll bet you think a paper cut is excruciating pain too?

That is exactly what you were saying.

[Extra Stout]

No. I think he meant what he said. What kind of pole do you interpret it to be? What is the threshold for forced sodomy to be torture vs. mild discomfort?

How do you know the prisoners didn't like having glow sticks shoved up their butts? I have a reliable account that in fact the prisoners specifically demanded to have that done, since the guards wouldn't let them play Hide the Salami with one another. That is a much more reasonable explanation that this whole "torture" nonsense.

Just another one of those certain facts you ninnies conveniently ignore.

[Wild Cobra]

That is exactly what you were saying.

No it wasn't. I was infering that your idea of a paper cut would cons ute torture.

[Extra Stout]

No it wasn't. I was infering that your idea of a paper cut would cons ute torture.

Right, and by extension therefore you were saying that forced sodomy with foreign objects is a trifling thing, and then, by reductio ad absurdum, ridiculed the position that forced sodomy with foriegn objects is torture by saying a person holding such a position might as well claim that paper cuts are torture.

Don't backtrack! Stand firm for the rec ude of forced sodomy of prisoners! It's an entirely defensible position in ordinary company!

[Spurminator]

I think we're generalizing telephone polls here. Some of the newer telephone poles are quite smaller in diameter than older ones, and they splinter less.

[Extra Stout]

I think we're generalizing telephone polls here. Some of the newer telephone poles are quite smaller in diameter than older ones, and they splinter less.

Ooh poor baby, now you think splinters are torture? We're talking about a guy who dissolves his own skin with caustic as a leisure activity!

[Nbadan]

Carter speaks out...

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States tortures prisoners in violation of international law, former President Carter said Wednesday.

"I don't think it. I know it," Carter told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

"Our country for the first time in my life time has abandoned the basic principle of human rights," Carter said. "We've said that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to those people in Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo, and we've said we can torture prisoners and deprive them of an accusation of a crime to which they are accused."

Carter also said President Bush creates his own definition of human rights.

CNN

[Wild Cobra]

Right, and by extension therefore you were saying that forced sodomy with foreign objects is a trifling thing, and then, by reductio ad absurdum, ridiculed the position that forced sodomy with foriegn objects is torture by saying a person holding such a position might as well claim that paper cuts are torture.

Don't backtrack! Stand firm for the rec ude of forced sodomy of prisoners! It's an entirely defensible position in ordinary company!

What a way of twisting things.

Yes, I am saying that forced sodomy is not torture! I never said otherwise.

I just have a very different take on what torture cons utes. It is not at the lower threshold that you liberals try to make it out as.

Again... Excruciating pain and Terror!

Not the realtively low pain you guys are pointing out.

[Extra Stout]

Carter speaks out...



CNN

Pffft. Says a guy who's afraid of squirrels.

"Ooh! Mommy! They dropped a squirrel in my tub! Torture! Torture!"

He probably thinks forced sodomy with rodents is torture, too. Ask Richard Gere about that one!

[Spurminator]

Ooh poor baby, now you think splinters are torture? We're talking about a guy who dissolves his own skin with caustic as a leisure activity!

Oh, of course not, just showing that with new innovations, a telephone pole in the ass can be even more bearable than it used to be. But that's not to say the old telephone poles cons ute "excruciating pain"... splinters or not.

In some Asian religions, followers break bamboo in their rectums as a sign of their faith. I bet they don't think it's torture...

[Medvedenko]

Man, discussing what is torture and not torture....seriously....anal rape with a foreign object is deplorable and barbaric....but to some it's not "torture"...so rape is ok...well that's the american way I guess.

[ChumpDumper]

What a way of twisting things.

Yes, I am saying that forced sodomy is not torture! I never said otherwise.

I just have a very different take on what torture cons utes. It is not at the lower threshold that you liberals try to make it out as.

Again... Excruciating pain and Terror!

Not the realtively low pain you guys are pointing out.

Again, how do you know having a stick shoved up your ass is "realtively" low pain? You speak as if you are an authority on having objects shoved up your ass, so how did you come to this conclusion?

[ChumpDumper]

And ES said "rec ude"

[Extra Stout]

What a way of twisting things.

Yes, I am saying that forced sodomy is not torture! I never said otherwise.

I just have a very different take on what torture cons utes. It is not at the lower threshold that you liberals try to make it out as.

Again... Excruciating pain and Terror!

Not the realtively low pain you guys are pointing out.

I understand exactly what your threshold is. If agents of the United States have done it, it is by definition not torture, because by definition the United States does not torture people! Why can't these bleeding hearts understand such a simple concept?