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Why thank you.
Yes, we can see. You have pretty solid arguments too.
Why thank you.
As has been aid here numerous times Boston's big three is better, but the Spurs have a better team.
So what that he is bigger and stronger?
That not what makes a basketball player.
To me the comaprison between big 3's is like comparison between Duncan and Hakeem latelly.
Many would choose Boston just because of better stats.
And when you comparing 'threes' you have to look at how they work together in team.
Spurs like Duncan are better IMHO
1 vs. 1 the 2 "big 3" are almost equals but our big 3 is more balance and we have the good piece to put around them.
The only important thing is that Spurs >>> Celtics
Sorry Ray is much better than Manu in one more department...
Whinning like a little pussy! (After Bowen steals his candy)
boston big 3 = havnt proven
spurs big 3 = 3 rings together and not stopping
Ray Allen is weak between the legs. If any of you non-Spurs have league pass, check out the Boston/SA games this year, and watch his ass wilt at the very sight of Bruce Bowen. Bowen is so far inside his head, he's set up housekeeping and is ordering room service. No one could possibly do anything like that to Manu.
I'd say their (Ray/Manu) skill sets are similar, but I'd rather have Manu's heart and balls for 28 minutes than Ray the Whiner Vaginer for 40.
This discussion begins and ends with TD and KG. A team with TD on it is an automatic playoff team, in the Western Conference, no less. A team with KG on it has missed the last 3 playoffs. If this is supposedly a player on par with TD that is downright pathetic. Kevin Garnett is the most overrated player of his generation in the NBA. His playoff performances make DRob's pre-TD postseasons look downright glorious.
You can't take 3 guys who were the man on weak teams and expect them to somehow turn a team into a championship winner. In the NBA if a player in his prime is not good enough to carry his own team into the postseason then his rep is overrated. In addition, Allen and Pierce can put up a lot of points, but not much else. If you put TP or Manu in the position of being the man on a team they'd be able to score as much. But that's not the issue. The Spurs' Big 3 knows how to win championships together. They know how to play defense.
I'd be very surprised to see the Celtics come out of the East. You can't put 3 soft es on the same team and expect to win a NBA championship. Just ask the Mavs.
And of course the stat geeks are creaming themselves over the Celtics. They will be a prime example of the limitations of using individual player stats to evaluate a team's potential for success.
Anyways, I don't see this discussion as much of one once you are done comparing TD with KG. But if you must, if I wanted to build a le team I'd go with the big game player in Manu over Pierce.
The one common mistake NBA fans and the media tend to make is not discounting the performance of high scorers on ty teams enough. Spurs fans should remember that Antoine Carr was once a 20 point a night man in the NBA.
Never forget the Antoine Carr Rule.
Last edited by Holt's Cat; 10-11-2007 at 08:11 AM.
Um...ooook
The Celtics big 3 are better by stats, athleticism, and pure overall talent. But, when in the has that ever mattered?
The bigger question is which big three would you want on your team? I like the three we have now.
So, in other words, KG >>> Dirk ?
Ok well I agree overall statistically Boston's big 3 is better than the Spurs big 3. That being said when Tim Duncan is one of the big 3 it does not matter who the other big 3 are. Plus he Manu and Tony are all proven winners. Boston has not proved they can win and develop the kind of chemistry the Spurs have. This big 3 has been playing together for years. So while Ray Allen scores alot more points than Manu, Manu has stepped up in the big show and has came through so many times. So instead of saying I think he's better than Ray Allen I will say I trust him more in the big games. What has Allen proved? Allen will be more concerned about Bowen anyway.
Allen and Pierce have scored more points because they were the man on their respective ty teams. That means very little when evaluating the Celtics le prospects.
The thread doesnt ask if they will win the le, only for a comparison of players.
Obviosly. Timmy>>>>>KG. KG>Nowitzki
I suppose it's all in how you look at it. While Ray Ray may be a better true shooter than Manu, he hasn't got the hustle and the "give it up for the team" at ude that Manu has.
If I had to pick one of them to be on a team I was forming, it would be Manu all the way. Not even a close call as far as I'm concerned. He just does things on the court that stats don't show.
If championships are not the subject what's the point? Going by stats alone is absurd.
Allen scored more points on ty teams. BFD.
Individual Skillswise, I would say:
Duncan >> KG
Parker = Pierce
Manu < Allen (barely)
so, which 3 are better is pretty much a tossup.
Yes, Manu is a better defender and more clutch and playmaker in the 4th, but Allen is just way better and consistent offensive player than Manu.
I cannot beleive ppl say Pierce is clearly > Parker. that is BS.
If I was starting my own team, I would pick Duncan, Parker and Manu over KG, Pierce, Allen.
The only difference between Manu, Allen, and Pierce is that the latter two are overpaid. I can't believe Spurs fans would think those two are any better than Manu.
Why wouldnt someone? Nothing against Manu, but I know that Allen can carry a ty team to the playoffs by himself. I know that teams have to gameplan for Allen. I also know that Manu hasnt ever had to play a bunch of minutes, or be "the guy" on a team. Im not saying Manu couldnt do it, but we will probably never know. Allen is just as cold blooded as Manu, and just because he's hated by Spur fans, wont get the credit he deserves. Not everyone gets to play with Tim Duncan, which Im sure makes the game a little easier.
I can almost guarantee if you asked fans from other teams which guy they would rather have, most would say Allen.
I also know Allen can't carry a team to the postseason. Allen's not as good overall as Manu.
Except he has 4 times, twice getting out of the second round.
Manu isnt better at anything really, except maybe not getting hurt as much
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