I think you are going by the technical definition...and I am going by the times he gets to do more than just stand around...
And don't say the Spurs didn't try to convert him into a strict spot up shooter...the they didn't...they've been trying to do it from day 1 and Pop doesn't want him playing the point...and it's been an issue from day 1.
And Pop involves him more at times and doesn't at others, usually when it sucks, and our offense has always kicked ass when he's been more involved.
I'm not going to argue Barry right now. If Barry hits his shots, it's because he got to play point guard and was more involved like whottt always said. If Barry misses his shots, it's because big bad Pop was being a meanie and told him not to play point guard.
whottt will have this takes no matter if he watches the game or not.
Well is it a guarantee he is going to be on the Toro's on the start of the season? I haven't really seen him play, but by the readings he is material to be on the 15 final man roster. Also, it wouldn't be bad having 5 bigs on the roster. Duncan, Oberto, Elson, Horry, Mahinmi. Horry isn't gonna be playing that much in the early parts of the season so you can basically count him out for now.
Hey...take it up with Manu.
To me it's a simple matter of looking Barry was used in Seattle VS how he has been used here...
And you guys are not objective on it...you put it all on Barry and none of it on Pop...
And some of it belongs on Pop.
Kerr played a vital role on a 3 time champion then comes here and sucks...Pop trades him and gets shown how to use Kerr by Portaland, then we get him back and everyone forgets that Kerr was the backup PG for most of that season and played extremely well in that role...then he got iced.
Just like everyone says Barry started choking last season...
That's freaking BS...he tore it up last season until his back got hurt...he didn't lose his spot due to sucking, he lost to injury, and his minutes were basically cut in half.
And no one admits that...they just say he started sucking.
Lame.
Pop makes mistakes with offensive players, in fact you could say he pretty much kills them...ask Drob sometime.
In fact this roster for most of the season would work out:
PF/C:
Duncan
Oberto
Horry
Ian
Elson
SF:
Bonner
Bowen
Ime
Guards:
Finley
Barry
Parker
Ginobili
Beno(?)
Vaughn
That's 14 people with Ian included, still left for 1 more. IMO Ian could learn a lot more if he was with the Spurs.
Are there any highlights/video of this game anywhere?
guys like ian should be dealt with the torros
beno should be cut
that opens up 3 roster spots
alot of is going to happen when preseason is over, expect players to be cut/dropped by other teams, and spurs will be there for the killing
Artest? No. Not good compare. He is more like Bowen defense and offense he just pass ball and run plays. Once some time shoot open 3. So Bowen is player he most like. He slow for PG or SG but not for SF and that really most probable be his NBA position.
He be very good Battier or Bowen type player for team. But personal I think Spanoulis much better player than him.
I've been saying Barry should be the backup point since the day he got here... wether you can justify it with numbers or anything, I don't care... It's just one of those things, like whottt, that I'm convinced I'm right about. He's a natural at the position, he loves playing there, and runs extremly well when he's playing that type of role (maybe he hasn't played much point here in the books, but he's definatly had some stretchs where he was the floor general and it was run and gun out there, no denying that)
I'm not tryin to jump in yalls arguement here... just happy to see a Barry for PG supporter
plus, come on.... vaughn, beno..... i'll take barry
we need a way to get him more minutes anyway... this way it doesn't take away from Fin and Manu... perfect fit imo
Where did this notion come from that Matt Bonner is a 3? Hes way to slow...
guys like ian should be dealt with the torros
beno should be cut
that opens up 3 roster spots
alot of is going to happen when preseason is over, expect players to be cut/dropped by other teams, and spurs will be there for the killing
If Beno is cut, how does that open up 3 roster spots...
I dunno but I agree with the sentiment that Beno should be cut...
Spurs are a drama free team...it got AJ and Malik run...Beno damn sure shouldn't be exempt.
Too bad Vaginis wussed out bigger than Beno...I don't have a doubt they would have given him an ample opportunity to take Beno's spot.
I'm just as confused
Question. Has Darius Washington shown you enough to effectively trade Beno for Darius?
I'll agree with that, along with the fact that they were relatively happy with Bonner and Elson and fine with riding with them this season while Ian learns his trade in practice and Austin.
Eventually--
Bonner is the Horry replacement.
Ian is the Elson replacement.
Splitter is the Oberto replacement.
As far as non-Duncan bigs go, we have never had such a sure succession plan. It's a good feeling.
Beno hasn't done of importance in his entire Spurs career...he's a complete and total non-factor in the Spurs success. The fact that he's now a complaining complete and total non-factor...he needs to be gone, yesterday.
Good luck with that Matt...
Hopefully better...I have hopes he'll wind up a Drob lite...Drob from the first few years he and Duncan were together.
Ian is the Elson replacement.
He'll definitely surpass Oberto in the talent dept...Splitter is the Oberto replacement.
As far as non-Duncan bigs go, we have never had such a sure succession plan. It's a good feeling.
True...I'm pretty happy with the big situation, just disappointed we couldn't get better offers for Scola.
The one I'm least sold on is Bonner...but he does hustle and fight for tough rebounds...
I have been a huge advocate of ditching Beno for some time, but a player like Washington with virtually no NBA experience could simply end up being worse. Really what I'm asking is would you be comfortable with bringing Washington on board or does the search need to continue for a viable 2nd or 3rd string Spurs PG?
And yes, get rid of Beno. I know he's better than Washington but so what? We already know Manu and Barry can back up the point in a pinch, so that's four point guards on the Spurs.
What purpose does Beno serve now?
I've been wondering that for a while myself. I don't think anybody knows.
I say give up the ghost and sure keep Washington...or even better, give Barry third string point duties(although we'd still be screwed if Barry got injured).
I dunno...maybe I'm weird...but I like idea of Barry and Manu getting minutes at the point and always have. And I get tired of hearing Barry can't play the point, when he had arguably his best seasons playing big minutes at the point in Seattle....including one year where he was the starting point for Seattle.
Barry's career high in assists is 16....best on the team.
That's fine. There are so few PFs that hit the long ball well and can otherwise stay on the floor, I can undertand why he was kept. I'm not expecting full on Horry clutchness and savvy just like I never expected a center to duplicate David Robinson once he retired. You work with what you got.
Beno should've been cut when he lost his PT to Nick Van Exel for god sake.
Barry and Manu are stopgaps, pure and simple. It's not like any of Barry's teams won the championship with him at the point. We'll always need a quick defender to cover Barry's deficiencies. Maybe that's easier to do know with Udoka on the team, but if Beno is waived he need to be replaced by some point guard prospect because we can't expect Barry to be here past this season.
I have to go with when he was given the chance to prove his playoff-worthiness against Houston and got completely owned by a D-League power forward.
I think you could legitimately look to trade away Beno and sign Washington. Washington would go to the inactive list and Udoka would take his place on the active list.
Parker/Vaughn
Ginobili/Finley/Barry/Udoka/Bowen
Duncan/Oberto/Elson/Horry/Bonner
That would free us up to do some interesting things with Ginobili or Barry manning the point at times with Udoka offering coverage on the defensive end.
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