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Only you would enjoy a man sucking your .
Nice, good "I know you are but what am I" smack.
Dude, when you remove your lips from Manny's testicles, then we'll argue back and forth about him ok?
I am probably one of few Yankee fans in the world that enjoys watching Manny.
World Series tickets go on Sale tommorow Morning.
Hopefully I get in.
I'm gonna try to go to Bostons hotel and get pics with Manny
Only you would enjoy a man sucking your .
Nice, good "I know you are but what am I" smack.
Dude, when you remove your lips from Manny's testicles, then we'll argue back and forth about him ok?
Manny is one of the most talented yet utterly clueless athletes of all time. Great hitter but a useless teammate when he is not hitting, he has no leadership qualities of any kind, he just lives in his own little world.
Manny is a terrific outfielder who can hit with the best of them. Especially with risp. His happy go lucky antics should not take away from his abilities on the field. He more than pulls his weight in the outfield and at the plate. And if that isn't good enough for you Manny haters then eff you. Manny lends himself to alot of criticism because he isn't like ordinary players. But his numbers speak for themselves and that along with his terriffic teammates will eventually end up winning the World Series.
Go Sox!
Do you even watch baseball??? What an idiotic post.
Well way to combat my statement jackass. What do you have to prove his case exactly??? Manny is a great hitter who can't field for and has a lousy at ude. Did you know that the Red Sox wanted to get rid of him so bad a few years ago they put him on waivers which means anyone could have him if they just picked up his contract. They did not even want trade value for him and guess what nobody picked him up because he makes 20 mil a year and when he is not hitting he is as i said "USELESS" to the ball club. You want someone on your team that says "Who cares if we lose there is always next year", go ahead you can have him.Do you even watch baseball??? What an idiotic post.
I think he said "it's not the end of the world if we lose", which is a bit different. He lacks the fire at times, but I don't think that he doesn't care about his team's success.
Also, his fielding is pretty good IMO. Even with those two errors in the 2004 World Series, he managed to snag Finals MVP.
His fielding is not good he has an OK arm and almost no range out there. He gets help in Boston thanks to the ballpark but have you ever seen him play left in Yankee stadium? As a Yanks fan i have many times over and he is one lousy outfielder. Like i said before Sox were willing to give him up for nothing a few years ago they wanted him gone so bad, enough said.
Manny is dog defensively.
Average arm, little-to-no range, takes bad angles, gets bad jumps on flyballs, etc.
He's a wonderful hitter and a wonderfully atrocious fielder.
Wow, if that's your standard for pretty good, I'd hate to see a bad outfielder.
He doesn't make as many errors as he should because OFs don't get credited with errors for having poor range and/or taking bad routes to the ball. He also gets more than his fair share of assists because baserunners go on him at will.
Now, I don't think anybody will dispute that his hitting makes up for his poor fielding. But make no mistake - he's a poor fielder, one of the worst in the league.
The poster pretty much summed it up.
One of the best hitters ever.
but a poor fielder and even poorer teammate.
Trying to deny that is just that. Denial.
For all of the bad things you can say about Manny, his teammates do seem to really love the guy.
On top of that, he's quickly becoming a mortal lock to be enshrined in Cooperstown.
Exactly. I mean, what the is the definition of a bad teammate to some of you? His teammates love him and the main reason anything he says/does causes controversy is because the media blows it up, like they do everything that comes out of Boston or NY. And people like a lot of you here who will find any reason to hate any and everything that comes out of those two cities just eat it up.
Some might do that, but others are also ignoring (not simply looking past) his flaws because they're a fan.
Just because he's the best right handed hitter of the past decade does not make him even a league average outfielder.
Just because he's great at one thing does not mean that his flaws are off-limits to discussion.
I agree with that, completely. I am a big Manny fan, but on his best day he is average at best and on an average day he is subpar at best. I realize this.
But the flaw that people are playing up -- bad teammate, that one I object to. I have yet to read a single thing from anyone who hates on Manny from the Sox. And then someone here embellished what he said, saying that he said he doesn't care, when that is not what he said.
So basically, "Manny being Manny" turned into "bad teammate" and "it's not the end of the world" turns into "i don't care." THAT is what I object to. I am not such a Manny homer that I can't see his flaws, but for crying out loud, people need to quit making up, too.
Well, I would argue that even on his best day his lack of range prevents him from being average, but I'll agree with rest of your post. Never heard his current or former teammates criticize him like you have with Bonds.
(On the other hand, let us not forget that he was put on Waivers a few years back and there were rumors of the Red Sox trying to move his contract - despite his incredible production. Was that just because it was so large? Doubtful for second richest team in the game. At its extreme peak, I think even the Red Sox got a little sick of Manny being Manny.)
Last edited by K-State Spur; 10-24-2007 at 12:55 AM.
Would it be wrong to say that one of the greatest hitters of the modern era is a terrible baseball player?
Wow, tough crowd. Horrible outfielder? No range? Average arm?
Let's not blow the waivers thing out of proportion, either. MLB teams frequently sneak even their best players onto the waiver wire for a variety of reasons -- reasons that have little to do with any desire to rid themselves of such players.
And for all of the focus on Manny's shortcomings, the truth is that his teams have generally been winners and he's been a huge reason for that. He makes up for his defensive liabilities with his offensive prowess. It's not as if he's the first great hitter to have been a poor defender; great hitters are frequently forgiven of their defensive shortcomings.
I think sometimes Manny's happy-go-lucky at ude about the game pisses fans off, but I've yet to see any evidence that his teammates dislike that part of the Manny Ramirez Experience. Sure, there's the legend of "Manny being Manny," but when the chips are on the table, he's the guy his teammates trust.
What a bunch of clueless idiots.
Name me one teammate that said Manny is a bad teammate...just one. Manny is loved by all his teammates and coaches. I read the Herald every day and I have never ever heard one quote from any player that is even the slightest bit negative about their teammate.
He has made 3 great defensive plays in the playoffs already this year, 2 great catches and one assist. There are very few players that are great defensively, and dominant offensively, you either have one or the other, and his play in left field is suspect. I do declare that there is not one team in the league that would not take Manny on their team if he made average pay. Only 4 teams would pay any player 22 million, and if any of them had a chance to get him, they would do it.
This quote from Manny about it not being the end of the world if they do not win it all is one of the reasons why he is so clutch in pressure situations in the post season. He is not affraid to fail, he knows that in the grand scheme of things this is just a game. Manny is from a poor poor family in the Dominican Republic, he has seen people live in such poverty and squalor that he truly knows what is really important and what is not. Baseball is a game, it is not life or death and I think he has perspective. What the is wrong with that???
Did any Spurs fan hate Robert Horry when he was asked how he seems to thrive in game winning 3 pointers in the playoffs??? Robert said and I quote: I just do not care if it goes in or not, that is why I can do it" " I am not affraid to fail, I know that when I get home, my familly will still love me and that is all that matters" Do you assholes remember that quote??? Does that mean that he does not want to win??? No. It means that he is not paralyzed by the thought of failure in the playoffs, like say an A Rod.
Manny is a first ballot HOFer, when all is said and done, he will have every major playoff record offensively(He passed Bernie Williams earlier in career HRs) and is on pace to break the record for most grand slams in a career.
Manny is a great player, yes he is a little quirky, but that is just being Manny.
Last edited by Jimcs50; 10-24-2007 at 10:04 AM.
It shouldn't be blown out of proportion, but teams NEVER put a player on waivers that they have ZERO interest in moving.
The Red Sox were open to the possibility. Given that he was still producing as much as ever, something had to have opened that door.
Most of Manny's "great" defensive plays would be routine for any other LF. His bad routes, bad jumps, bad reads, and poor range have led to him making even the routine exciting in LF.
And, as said before, he's going to make assists because EVERYBODY runs on him (except for inexplicably the Indians' 3rd base coach in game 7...).
However, I do agree with the majority of the rest of your post. His production certainly outweighs his flaws - but he does have flaws.
Well, they were also willing to move Manny for ARod a few years ago, when Manny was producing monster numbers -- perhaps there were thoughts of a similar deal.
I don't think, though, that you can assume that putting Manny through the waiver process is indicative of some pervasive problem that Manny creates. In fact, I'd argue that Manny is one of the few guys in baseball who could be traded straight up for a superstar with each team feeling as though it got equal value.
I'm not really sure what has inspired this navel-gazing attempt to dissect Manny's flaws as a player. Manny was lambasted by some for his celebration after blasting Lewis in Game 4, but that wasn't a comment on the quality of his play; it was a comment on his sense of perspective, I suppose. In any event, the notion that anyone would dispute that Manny is a great baseball player, even considering all of his flaws, is laughable to me. On top of that, there's no basis for an argument that Manny is a bad teammate or even a bad guy. Trying to nitpick the flaws in Manny's game is a bit like saying that Shaq doesn't block enough shots or that Tom Brady isn't exceptionally good running the ball in the open field. Yeah, it's a valid criticism, but it makes little difference in terms of how effective the player is for his team.
I disagree, those 2 great plays were not routine, they were out and out beautiful plays. In fact, both made the top 10 plays of the day list on ESPN, including the #1 play of the day, in which Manny had to sprint about 25 yards and dive for a short fly ball that he caught on the tip of his webbing.
You have perspective, my friend.
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