Yeah ok.He's not a long small forward, dip
Compared to point guard? Yeah, they are. During the draft they were apparently so desperate for a long small forward that can't shoot or play defense to groom for Bowen's spot that it was worth reaching for Marcus.
Now that Udoka's here, why would you want Williams over Washington?
You don't. Washington is much more ready - and at a similar age - and fills a position of need faster. We will lost Udrih after this season (thankfully) and Vaughn may as well skip to the coach's bench then, too.
Meanwhile, Williams is not the long forward we need. He's not even all that big. Long arms, sure, with some defensive potential, but he's not going to see an NBA floor for some time. He made a mistake by taking the non-guaranteed contract and fearing Europe.
Would Washington see an NBA floor if everyone was healthy?
You guys are barking up the wrong tree. Get rid of Beno.
I agree. I wondered why T Park seemed to think Williams was a.) such a great pick and b.) so much more valuable than a point guard with potential.
ah yes. the get rid of barry talk continues... carry on sellouts
If you can keep Mahinmi, Williams and Washington while shopping Beno, then that's the thing to do. See the other thread where I asked you that specific question.
You can't. If the Spurs actually like Williams and Washington, I'd start offering Beno and cash for a trade exception.
At the very least, or try to package an existing expiring contract with him.
Has Williams done anything other than be picked by the Spurs to make them like him?
Naturally you boot Beno if you can, but I don't think you can.
If there's any chance of being able to getting someone to take Beno's salary, it's not worth sacrificing that for saving face on a bad second round pick.
Myy take is that even though Washington has potential, the FO thinks he is too small and a defensive liability. If they really want to sign Washington, I would rather see them just waive Beno. If they sign Washington to a 450,000 contract, it would cost the Spurs 900,000 after the luxury tax. But if some team picks up Beno on waivers, it would cost them nothing. That seems like a better option than cutting Williams without giving him at least one season with the Torros.
Can't Williams still play for the Toros if he gets cut with the Spurs? Doesn't it just mean that he's available to other teams now and isn't our sole property? Nobody in their right mind would pick him up now.
Washington is a keeper IMHO.
We would have to waive Williams then have the Toros draft him.
Andre Barrett was waived by the Bulls. He's another player who I'd like to the Spurs to add in place of Beno.
As far as the le of this thread, I don't see the Spurs waiving Williams to keep Washington. I think Washington is the better NBA prospect but having four point guards doesn't really help matters as far as winning a championship. With the age of the swingmen, the Spurs probably need an emergency swingman ... even if it's the level of Marcus Williams.
Getting rid of Beno to keep Washington is the only way I see Washington making the team.
Mind giving a little info on Barrett? What position he plays? Why you like him, etc?
Barrett is a 5-foot-10 point guard the Spurs have had interest in back a couple offseasons ago. He was with the Bulls last year and just got cut by Chicago.
He's basically a Mike Wilks type player but with better scoring abilities. He's nothing overly special but I think he's a quality third point guard in the NBA and would be able to run the team decently in an emergency.
Washington has better upside, but right this second I'd trust Barrett to run the team more than I would trust Washington. Barrett is a very good ballhandler, has good vision and can score a bit. The knock against him is his size limits his ability at the defensive end.
Cool, thanks.
Wilks is just sitting by the phone as well. If we are talking about swingmen that are more ready to contribute than Williams, the Rockets waived Mike Harris, who is pretty much Chuck Hayes lite with a jump shot. I guess there's a good chance he'll end up with in the D-League again.
Wilks signed with the Nuggets last Wednesday
Doh! I forgot about all those injuries. I suppose a couple of point guards are going to be let go by New Jersey soon too now that Kidd is coming back.
We still have to get rid of Beno before considering any of them.
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