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    Pop very much wanted Beno after he saw him in the Chicago pre-draft camp that summer
    I don't think anyone is doubting before drafting.

    Its actually showing up and breaking a nail did Pop pretty much hate his guts.

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    Cavs currently have 11 players under contract and must leave open 2 spots for varajo and Pavolvic. I remember reading in the past that their trade exemption expires by the end of this month if not used. So there are definatly spots availble for Beno but does ferry really want Beno that much is the question?
    The Cavs, counting Varejao and Pavlovic, have 15 players:

    LeBron
    Gibson
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    Big Z
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    Devin Brown
    Shannon Brown
    Damon Jones
    Dwayne Jones
    Varejao
    Pavlovic

    So that's 13 guaranteed contracts plus Varejao and Pavlovic. The Cavs actually have less room than the Spurs do for Beno.

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    I think I'd rather have Eric Snow than Beno at this point.

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    Beno + Barry for Pavlovic (S&T) ...Just a thought...Udoka has def. made barry expendable.

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    As to the option to pick up Beno, the Spurs honestly did not expect Vaughn to play as well as he did, especially his ability to pick up the defense.


    If there was one thing expected from Vaughn, it was the ability to play defense.

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    The Cavs, counting Varejao and Pavlovic, have 15 players:

    LeBron
    Gibson
    Gooden
    Big Z
    Hughes
    Marshall
    Newble
    Snow
    Simmons
    Devin Brown
    Shannon Brown
    Damon Jones
    Dwayne Jones
    Varejao
    Pavlovic

    So that's 13 guaranteed contracts plus Varejao and Pavlovic. The Cavs actually have less room than the Spurs do for Beno.
    oops, hoopshype didnt have figures yet on devin or dwayne..That sucks

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    Beno was on the hook and he dropped 25 in a preseason game to save his ass and the spurs re upped him the next day cause you whiny ass spurs fans who know nothing about talent would've cried like es.

    That's why, it is has nothing to do with a plan.

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    I think I'd rather have Eric Snow than Beno at this point.
    I'd rather have Beno with one-year and under $2M on his contract than Snow and his two-years and $14M million left on his contract.

    Beno + Barry for Pavlovic (S&T) ...Just a thought...Udoka has def. made barry expendable.
    Pavlovic wants some ridiculous contract. Something like MLE money for five years. I'd gladly take Barry over a massively overpaid Pavlovic.

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    If there was one thing expected from Vaughn, it was the ability to play defense.
    You talkin' about Player/Coach Vaughn?

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    Pav has become a pretty decent NBA player and played very well in the playoffs for the cavs..4 mil for a 24 yr old who seems to get better every year I think is not a bad deal

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    I'd rather have Beno with one-year and under $2M on his contract than Snow and his two-years and $14M million left on his contract.

    Its like getting told "Your going to be murdered, gun or poison?"

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    Pavlovic is strange.

    I was really on his bandwagon till i went back watched games 1 through 4 again and again this summer, and, hes got agreat shot. Hes a decent defender and rebounds.

    His problem though is he gets Hedo syndrome in that he likes to "float"

    just be on the court. Dont be agressive, yet dont be passive.

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    Beno was on the hook and he dropped 25 in a preseason game to save his ass and the spurs re upped him the next day cause you whiny ass spurs fans who know nothing about talent would've cried like es.

    That's why, it is has nothing to do with a plan.
    quit trying to figure out the inner dwellings of some ish you have no idea about.

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    The Spurs cutting Beno and keeping Washington would send a very good message to the team. That working your tale off means something and it's not all about the money. Considering the players in question, this is going to be a relatively inexpensive message too.

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    You talkin' about Player/Coach Vaughn?
    I would love to see Vaughn added to the coaching staff at the end of his contract if he wants to retire.

    I can't tell you how many times I'd see Vaughn would whisper something into PJ or Bud's ear last year, and they would nod there head, and seem to say something to Pop in the time out, and then he would nod with the "hmm not bad" look and say something.

    Wich i take to think, he is seeing adjustments, matchups, and what not on the floor and making suggestions.

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    Pav has become a pretty decent NBA player and played very well in the playoffs for the cavs..4 mil for a 24 yr old who seems to get better every year I think is not a bad deal
    I'm not a Pavlovic fan. He was pretty good his rookie year and then regressed for a couple seasons before having a pretty good second half of the season last year. He's a decent player but not worth the 5-year, $30M he wants.

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    Considering the players in question, this is going to be a relatively inexpensive message too.
    If you straight out cut beno, and I'm not totally positive on this, but you pay his 1.7 million salary, and since they are in the lux tax, that counts as 3.4...

    Wich is a HUGE waste of money.

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    Spurs cut Ron Mercer when he was making 7M. They can cut Beno if they really want Washington.

    It's funny to me because Washington might not even be very good. But we are all so excited about him because it's someone shining so much brighter than Beno.

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    The Spurs cutting Beno and keeping Washington would send a very good message to the team. That working your tale off means something and it's not all about the money. Considering the players in question, this is going to be a relatively inexpensive message too.
    That's the thought behind the AJ jersey retirement, too.

    But it's not just because Washington's busted his ass. He's also got some talent.

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    If you straight out cut beno, and I'm not totally positive on this, but you pay his 1.7 million salary, and since they are in the lux tax, that counts as 3.4...

    Wich is a HUGE waste of money.
    it's already being wasted. Cutting Beno doesn't change anything.

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    That's the thought behind the AJ jersey retirement, too.

    But it's not just because Washington's busted his ass. He's also got some talent.
    no doubt. Plus, as Kori said Beno makes Washington look like Tony Parker.

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    If you straight out cut beno, and I'm not totally positive on this, but you pay his 1.7 million salary, and since they are in the lux tax, that counts as 3.4...
    Wow. No.

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    Cutting Beno doesn't change anything.
    cutting Beno means keeping washington, wich means, your gonna pay his half a mill, wich counts as a million, on top of a player who counts as 3.4...

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    Wow. No.

    Wow, then whats correct ?

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    Spurs cut Ron Mercer when he was making 7M. They can cut Beno if they really want Washington.

    It's funny to me because Washington might not even be very good. But we are all so excited about him because it's someone shining so much brighter than Beno.
    It is hard to tell how good he is. However, he has some solid skills. Ball-handling, etc. He was able to get after rebounds once the coaches asked for it, and he's shown pretty solid leadership abilities. For a small contract (say, Williams'), it's hardly a bad deal to try him out for a year. I'd think his combination of fair talent and truly busting his ass could pay dividends. Afterall, Vaughn was never a great NBA player, but was solid.

    And even if it was the GSW, racking up a near triple double in a preseason game is eye-opening.

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