McDonald: Spurs' Udrih, Vaughn unlikely to be healthy for opener

[Darkwaters]

Mike Bud was talking with Shoening on the pregame show and he said the coaches aren't worried about Vaughn and Beno out because DW is doing a great job.

He said great things about him

Everytime somebody calls him DW I have to do a doubletake and realize that they mean "Darius Washington" and not "Darkwaters". Yea, me at PG...scary thought. Bet I could beat out Beno though....

[Joe Schmoogins]

RC takes risks on draft night. He goes for developmental no-name players. Sometimes he comes through and sometimes he strikes out.

Right now Mahinmi looks like a questionable pick, but this kid has the potential to be a beast. If he turns into a beast in two years will you be questioning RC then?

And what about Splitter? How was that a bad pick?

To be honest, that's not even the point...

The real point is that RC is allowed to take those risks on draft night because he has built a championship-contending team year in and year out by piecing veteran role players with his core and not by relying on draft night selections/rookies to fill critical roles. Guys like Bowen and Horry will be gone in a couple years and the ones that come in behind them (Udoka, Bonner?) won't be green rookies or flashy superstars...they'll be quality role players.

Bottom Line: If RC thinks Mahinmi could be the next Robinson and Williams the next Elliott, why not take a chance on them and see if they pan out? In the meantime, the Spurs will continue to build their championship-calibur teams without having to count on that coming true.

well said

[ChumpDumper]

, Vaughn's injury might not even be that bad -- maybe it's being milked to give Darius more burn and could actually just be a cover for keeping Washington past the waiver deadline.

[timvp]

, Vaughn's injury might not even be that bad -- maybe it's being milked to give Darius more burn and could actually just be a cover for keeping Washington past the waiver deadline.

Exactly.

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[Darkwaters]

, Vaughn's injury might not even be that bad -- maybe it's being milked to give Darius more burn and could actually just be a cover for keeping Washington past the waiver deadline.

This is getting me giddy with excitement.

[2centsworth]

Dude... Rudy is going to make it.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I don't know who is in the draft pool, so I couldn't comment on Williams draft position. Darius would almost be a lock to go #1 to Colorado since Pooh Jeter is gone.

[Russ]

It's interesting that the Spurs are leaking out information saying that Vaughn might miss games into the season. That would help the FO save face if they decide to keep Washington over Williams.

Bingo. This "news" is as phoney and self-serving as leaks about WMD in Iraq.

But I'd love to see the Spurs keep Washington over Williams. This guy is ripe for the picking, if not by the Spurs then by someone else ala Raja Bell and Haslem.

[timvp]

Darius would almost be a lock to go #1 to Colorado since Pooh Jeter is gone.

That's if he wasn't claimed off waivers by an NBA team . . .

[ploto]

, Vaughn's injury might not even be that bad -- maybe it's being milked to give Darius more burn and could actually just be a cover for keeping Washington past the waiver deadline.

And then watch how quickly Vaughn heals.

[FromWayDowntown]

I would think that even if Vaughn's injury isn't all that bad, the thing that's likely to keep him sidelined for a little while is the probability that he hasn't been able to run much on a leg with a strained calf. He may not be ready to go from a conditioning standpoint, even if the injury is healed or mostly healed. I'd be surprised if this was exaggeration of an injury to support a roster move; I suspect that Vaughn probably really won't be ready on Tuesday.

[Darkwaters]

Bingo. This "news" is as phoney and self-serving as leaks about WMD in Iraq.

Clever. In fact, a good analogy...except when you consider that it is a well known fact that Iraq DID have WMDs when they attempted genocide on all those Kurds.

Oh well....

[Obstructed_View]

If Vaughn and Beno are missing games early, every minute of rest DW allows Parker is going to help the team IMO. In the '06 playoffs, Parker got hurt against the Kings in garbage time because Pop didn't trust anyone else to run the team. Williams can't do that.

[ChumpDumper]

Whatever works. If any of this leads to Beno's departure, I'm for it.

[FromWayDowntown]

If Vaughn and Beno are missing games early, every minute of rest DW allows Parker is going to help the team IMO. In the '06 playoffs, Parker got hurt against the Kings in garbage time because Pop didn't trust anyone else to run the team. Williams can't do that.

Yeah, but '08 Jacque Vaughn > '06 Nick Van Exel, probably. Vaughn, if healthy, is far more likely to be running the team in that situation if it arises in 2008.

[Obstructed_View]

Clever. In fact, a good analogy...except when you consider that it is a well known fact that Iraq DID have WMDs when they attempted genocide on all those Kurds.

Oh well....

Yeah it always amazes me how people forget that he actually USED them against the Kurds and the Iranians. It also amazes me that folks can't keep their political opinions in the political forum where they belong.

[T Park]

It also amazes me that folks can't keep their political opinions in the political forum where they belong.

it also amazes me how many forum police we have here.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, but '08 Jacque Vaughn > '06 Nick Van Exel, probably.

In the long run, yes, but not if he's injured. If he's going to miss a month then Parker's playing 38 minutes a game. It doesn't seem worth it just to keep a guy that won't be ready to contribute for at least a year. The experiment's over. The Spurs tried to see if Williams could show them anything. I don't think he did.

[Obstructed_View]

it also amazes me how many forum police we have here.

You're en led to your opinion. So am I. If you don't like it, there's the door.

[T Park]

you don't like it, there's the door.

Uh, yeah ok, been here longer than you kiddo, that aint happenin.

[FromWayDowntown]

In the long run, yes, but not if he's injured. If he's going to miss a month then Parker's playing 38 minutes a game. It doesn't seem worth it just to keep a guy that won't be ready to contribute for at least a year. The experiment's over. The Spurs tried to see if Williams could show them anything. I don't think he did.

I don't think Pop's going to play Parker for 38 minutes per night for very long, particularly early in the season, even if Vaughn and Udrih don't play all year and even if Williams makes the roster. Pop's not suicidal and he's also not that concerned with the early parts of the regular season.

[Obstructed_View]

I don't think Pop's going to play Parker for 38 minutes per night for very long, particularly early in the season, even if Vaughn and Udrih don't play all year and even if Williams makes the roster. Pop's not suicidal and he's also not that concerned with the early parts of the regular season.

If Vaughn and Udrih don't play all year you've got one point guard. If only it were that easy a decision. It looks like Williams is going to contribute nothing to the team this year. I'd say it's likely he'll still be looking for a team next summer.

Is it the regular season yet?

[some_user86]

Yeah it always amazes me how people forget that he actually USED them against the Kurds and the Iranians. It also amazes me that folks can't keep their political opinions in the political forum where they belong.

It amazes me when people ignore that he destroyed those stockpiles when our US-sponsored UN sanctions actually started working. He wasn't a threat and the WMDs were falsely trumped up for a personal agenda. The WMDs just weren't there in 2003.

We should have stayed focused on kicking OBL's ass in Afghanistan and brung it to Pakistan if necessary. What the was the Iraq war about? I don't think anyone in the civilian public can truthfully answer that.

Listen, I voted for Bush in 2004 (too young to vote in 2000). But fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Darkwaters]

It amazes me when people ignore that he destroyed those stockpiles when our US-sponsored UN sanctions actually started working. He wasn't a threat and the WMDs were falsely trumped up for a personal agenda. The WMDs just weren't there in 2003.

We should have stayed focused on kicking OSB's ass in Afghanistan and brung it to Pakistan if necessary. What the was the Iraq war about? I don't think anyone in the civilian public can truthfully answer that.

Listen, I voted for Bush in 2004 (too young to vote in 2000). But fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

The deal with Iraq is that they had sanctions for over a decade and never fully complied. Clinton was too busy getting blow jobs to actually care about doing a damn thing about it. And to tend to forget that even when we were doing weapons inspections on them they still never let the inspectors into half of the places they were supposed to. They never fully complied...not by a long shot.

Pakistan? Last I checked they're our ally. If you destabilize them any further they shift to a radical Islamic state that hates us. Don't be an idiot like Obama saying we need to "invade Pakistan".

Seriously though, why are we having this conversation here? Put it in the appropriate forum and we'll discuss it there. But it's unfair to everyone else to hijack this thread in this manner.

Sorry guys.

[some_user86]

The deal with Iraq is that they had sanctions for over a decade and never fully complied. Clinton was too busy getting blow jobs to actually care about doing a damn thing about it. And to tend to forget that even when we were doing weapons inspections on them they still never let the inspectors into half of the places they were supposed to. They never fully complied...not by a long shot.

Pakistan? Last I checked they're our ally. If you destabilize them any further they shift to a radical Islamic state that hates us. Don't be an idiot like Obama saying we need to "invade Pakistan".

Seriously though, why are we having this conversation here? Put it in the appropriate forum and we'll discuss it there. But it's unfair to everyone else to hijack this thread in this manner.

Sorry guys.

Some ally. The ISI and Army of Pakistan has top level spies and generals who frequently work in conjunction with radicals to wage terrorism. So far, it had been against just India. Now, with the incomplete invasion of Afghanistan al-Qaeda has fled to these same radical sympathesizers who are creating a new safe haven in Pakistan. Unfortunately, this hotbead of radical thought has shifted direction from supplying terrorism in India to now the US and Iraq. It's Afghanistan 2.0, but with Nukes. And an army full of generals and spy agency full of spies that is more than willing to cooperate with these radical elements. (Notice the recent attacks to topple Prime Minister-to-be Bhutto and current President Musharraf? Yeah, that's not possible without some level of support in the goverment.)


But, you're absolutely right. This belongs in the politcal forum. Of course, if you had just left sleeping dogs lie with Russ's rather funny joke, we wouldn't even be in this mess.