Who hates Manu Ginobli and the spurs?

[DannyB]

Hey DannyB, It's a new ing season. GET OVER IT!!!

Go suck a porcupine. I'm not going to get over it, cause it ain't even close to being over. Not until the Suns exact their just revenge on those thieves and bags called the Spurs.

[bdictjames]

LOL apparently the votes who were against Manu didn't count. Good ol' Kori.

And Heat suck. We know that. The Cavs are the Heat of today, watch them being swept in the first round.

[BeerIsGood!]

I can see why he gets his ass handed to him at the Y. He's a who's afraid of contact. Just like Steve Nash. You and your team are a perfect fit.

[DannyB]

Prick

[Findog]

Go suck a porcupine. I'm not going to get over it, cause it ain't even close to being over. Not until the Suns exact their just revenge on those thieves and bags called the Spurs.

da_suns_fan has a new sockpuppet.

[Reggie Miller]

I'll make this really simple for you, becuase it is this simple.

Fouls are the result of a subjective and political process. Naismith did not come down from Mt. Sinai with some pure, nouminal form of basketball carved on stone tablets. This is a case of when a tree falls and no one hears it, then it didn't make a sound. If you are fouled and no one calls it, then you weren't fouled. It's a deeply flawed, very human process, but that's what it is.

My feelings about the Spurs, whether good, bad, projected by you, or real, have nothing to do with the issue.

EDIT: I would also add that if someone can't accept that at the end of the day, then they probably need to take a break from sports for a while. Ultimately, it's a game. It doesn't have much to do with balancing the scales of justice, etc.

[Findog]

^ great take Reggie. LMAO at the idea that the League is propping up the Spurs. David Stern would cream his jeans to get the Suns into the Finals.

[DannyB]

I'll make this really simple for you, becuase it is this simple.

Fouls are the result of a subjective and political process. Naismith did not come down from Mt. Sinai with some pure, nouminal form of basketball carved on stone tablets. This is a case of when a tree falls and no one hears it, then it didn't make a sound. If you are fouled and no one calls it, then you weren't fouled. It's a deeply flawed, very human process, but that's what it is.

Well, deeply flawed, subjective, political, and human process may be what it is right now; but that's not the way it should be, at least according to the rule book. And that's pretty much the point I was trying to make to you with my earlier response. It's not cut-and-dried, black-and-white. Yet you want to act like it is when it benefits your Spurs by giving them the Championship, then you want to have it subjective when it also benefits your Spurs.

The problem is that the refs don't call the games according to the rule book, but needlessly make everything into a judgment call. That's what irritates me. The Spurs benefit from the subjective whims (I call it incompetence) of the refs more than any other team.

[mardigan]

Go suck a porcupine. I'm not going to get over it, cause it ain't even close to being over. Not until the Suns exact their just revenge on those thieves and bags called the Spurs.

Stay on the bench and quit crying like such a puss

[Reggie Miller]

Well, deeply flawed, subjective, political, and human process may be what it is right now; but that's not the way it should be, at least according to the rule book. And that's pretty much the point I was trying to make to you with my earlier response. It's not cut-and-dried, black-and-white. Yet you want to act like it is when it benefits your Spurs by giving them the Championship, then you want to have it subjective when it also benefits your Spurs.

The problem is that the refs don't call the games according to the rule book, but needlessly make everything into a judgment call. That's what irritates me. The Spurs benefit from the subjective whims (I call it incompetence) of the refs more than any other team.

Whether the Spurs received the benefit of bad officiating is irrelevant. I'm not primarily a Spurs fan, and I can name many instances where the officials really hosed them in critical playoff games. That's not the issue. That's confusing the effects for the cause.

I really don't think you understand what I'm saying at all, and I'm not trying to be an ass (this time). There isn't, never was, and never will be such a thing as "pure basketball."

Ignoring for the moment that it is inevitable that the real never fully actualizes the ideal (see: all religions), the fact there is considerable debate over what this miraculous "pure basketball" would look like should tell you there is a problem. My idea of "pure basketball" may (and in fact does) involve fouling as a strategy. Apparently, your idea does not. Bluntly, no one cares either way, and the only opinion that matters is the one belonging to the head official.

Officiating is a form of jurisprudence. It is based on tradition as much as the written rules of the game. This is beyond debate, even with guys like Strom long gone. The system works if enough people trust the subjective judgments of the officials. In this way, sports mirror society at large.

In essence, the official elevates his or her subjective judgment to an absolute. Something is either completely ignored, a warning, a foul, a flagrant foul, etc. In the end, the effect is black and white. There is no category for "morally a foul, but not called, deduct one style point." Many Suns' fans and Free Darko types seem to come from some sort of bizzaro universe where the fact that the ESPN Fastbreak crew thought something wasn't fair actually means . It doesn't.

[Extra Stout]

Do you even know the rules of the game, or do you just assume that because the Spurs play dirty its the correct way? I'm a pussy because I think the game should be played by the rules? I'm a pussy because I think basketball should be basketball instead of football?

You're stone dumb if you think the way the Spurs play defense is totally kosher and within the rules. The Official NBA Rule Book describes personal fouls as:

"a. A player shall not hold, push, charge into, impede the progress of an opponent by extending a hand, forearm, leg or knee or by bending the body into a position that is not normal. Contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately."

"b> Contact initiated by the defensive player guarding a player with the ball is not legal. This contact includes, but is not limited to, forearm, hands, or body check."

So does the above definition of personal fouls pretty much describe the entire Spurs defensive repetoire, or what? I've watched Bruce Bowen tick right down this list of fouls within 30 seconds of tip-off. Go watch football if you like full contact man-on-man love so much.

Basketball is a contact sport. Get up off the floor and shoot your free throws, you whining soft pussy.

Do you wear a skirt when you play, or diapers?

[Extra Stout]

Go suck a porcupine. I'm not going to get over it, cause it ain't even close to being over. Not until the Suns exact their just revenge on those thieves and bags called the Spurs.

How are they going to do that exactly? Is the plan to cry so much that the Spurs slip on the floor wet from all the tears? Is it to be so pathetic in their incessant whining that the Spurs get hernias from laughing too hard?

[spurspf]

Whether the Spurs received the benefit of bad officiating is irrelevant. I'm not primarily a Spurs fan, and I can name many instances where the officials really hosed them in critical playoff games. That's not the issue. That's confusing the effects for the cause.

I really don't think you understand what I'm saying at all, and I'm not trying to be an ass (this time). There isn't, never was, and never will be such a thing as "pure basketball."

Ignoring for the moment that it is inevitable that the real never fully actualizes the ideal (see: all religions), the fact there is considerable debate over what this miraculous "pure basketball" would look like should tell you there is a problem. My idea of "pure basketball" may (and in fact does) involve fouling as a strategy. Apparently, your idea does not. Bluntly, no one cares either way, and the only opinion that matters is the one belonging to the head official.

Officiating is a form of jurisprudence. It is based on tradition as much as the written rules of the game. This is beyond debate, even with guys like Strom long gone. The system works if enough people trust the subjective judgments of the officials. In this way, sports mirror society at large.

In essence, the official elevates his or her subjective judgment to an absolute. Something is either completely ignored, a warning, a foul, a flagrant foul, etc. In the end, the effect is black and white. There is no category for "morally a foul, but not called, deduct one style point." Many Suns' fans and Free Darko types seem to come from some sort of bizzaro universe where the fact that the ESPN Fastbreak crew thought something wasn't fair actually means . It doesn't.

Or Plato's simile of the cave.

[Mister Sinister]

Can we wordfilter Phoenix into "A huge gaping vagina the size of a hallway?"

[DannyB]

How are they going to do that exactly? Is the plan to cry so much that the Spurs slip on the floor wet from all the tears? Is it to be so pathetic in their incessant whining that the Spurs get hernias from laughing too hard?

Oh, so you've dreamed up some kind of fantasy world where the Spurs just automatically win it again this year? You talk like the Spurs were so freakin dominant against the Suns last year, when in fact that was a hard-fought series. You dimwit Spurs fans have forgotten how hard the Spurs had to play, hack, foul, cheapshot, and cheat in order to beat the Suns last year. , before those BS suspensions, that series was 2-2. So stop acting like a smug ass about it.

[mardigan]

Oh, so you've dreamed up some kind of fantasy world where the Spurs just automatically win it again this year? You talk like the Spurs were so freakin dominant against the Suns last year, when in fact that was a hard-fought series. You dimwit Spurs fans have forgotten how hard the Spurs had to play, hack, foul, cheapshot, and cheat in order to beat the Suns last year. , before those BS suspensions, that series was 2-2. So stop acting like a smug ass about it.

Stay on the bench
Your vagina must still be pretty sore from the raping last year huh?

[DannyB]

Stay on the bench
Your vagina must still be pretty sore from the raping last year huh?

At least you admit it WAS a raping, rather than a legitimate victory. No go screw yourself.

[da_suns_fan__]

Oh, so you've dreamed up some kind of fantasy world where the Spurs just automatically win it again this year? You talk like the Spurs were so freakin dominant against the Suns last year, when in fact that was a hard-fought series. You dimwit Spurs fans have forgotten how hard the Spurs had to play, hack, foul, cheapshot, and cheat in order to beat the Suns last year. , before those BS suspensions, that series was 2-2. So stop acting like a smug ass about it.

Nice post.

[mardigan]

At least you admit it WAS a raping, rather than a legitimate victory. No go screw yourself.

Yea, the Suns got raped, they are a ty team.
Now, go your Steve nash blowup doll

[DannyB]

Yea, the Suns got raped, they are a ty team.
Now, go your Steve nash blowup doll

You're an infant.

[mardigan]

You're an infant.

And you're a whiny baby. You should probably get off the breast feeding already, its going to give you an overbight, then you'll never be able to give Steve Nash that blowjob you dream about.

[O-Factor]

You're an infant.

You are a little sun troll .

[DannyB]

You are a little sun troll .

Well, since we're doing introductions: you're a little Spurs fan .

[O-Factor]

Well, since we're doing introductions: you're a little Spurs fan .

No, Im simply a winner, 4 times over. A fan of a team who has owned your gimmick basketball team. Expect the same result as last year .

[DannyB]

No, Im simply a winner, 4 times over. A fan of a team who has owned your gimmick basketball team. Expect the same result as last year .

4 time winner? You're a full time dumbass, cause you haven't won a damn thing. Your team has, but that doesn't make you a winner, or I should say it doesn't make you less of a jackoff loser.