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Why should they have to invade?...cut off the money and we will destroy each other from the inside-out.....
Citibank/Chase/Wells Fargo
Why should they have to invade?...cut off the money and we will destroy each other from the inside-out.....
So those banks just pull credit out of their collective asses?
Nope.
They get money from the Fed.
IT pulls credit out of its ass.
Democrats not as united as they would like against the war
It is interesting that there is a war funding vote in Congress right now - and no apparent surge of terrorists or insurgents in Iraq. They've usually been pretty good about creating turmoil at times like this.
No, its just the spin that 'they've been 'good about creating turmoil at times like this', whatever that means...in reality secretarian violence is down because ethnic cleansing is almost complete in Baghdad, millions of refugees have fled to Syria Iran and other parts, which rarely gets shown by the M$M...in fact these neighboring countries cant handle any more refugees so they have closed their borders....
Not spin; I've watched the news and noticed it.
They also did it leading up to the election last year.
Spin is claiming to know that the relative calm now is because the ethnic cleansing is just about complete. Guess it helps take the edge off about possibly being wrong.
Because the M$M would never spin Iraq!Not spin; I've watched the news and noticed it.
Iraqis Are Thankful For Bush
If a civilian in Iraq dies but the media doesn't count it in their the-Iraq-war-is-a-cluster -so-we-have-to-do-body-counts
-to-make-look-like-we-are-turning-another-corner, does it count?
Iraq's numbers don't add up, U.S. says
LA TimesBAGHDAD -- As U.S. forces begin to scale back in Iraq, the military is becoming increasingly reliant on Iraqi forces to report a wide array of crucial statistics, from the number of attacks on the local infrastructure to how many Iraqi civilians have been killed or wounded.
And just as Iraqi forces have had a mixed record in fighting insurgents, they have been spotty at providing data from the regions where they have taken command.
Iraqi officials have been reporting far higher civilian death totals than those reported by U.S. forces, and aides to American commanders now acknowledge that the U.S. military probably had been undercounting such casualties.
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The questionable nature of the Iraqi-compiled data, which is expected to become even more problematic as U.S. forces shrink back to pre-buildup levels over the next six months, has placed American commanders in an awkward position.
The more successful they are in turning over military responsibility to Iraqis, the U.S. officials think, the less likely they are to get reliable evidence that their techniques are working.
Doesn't matter....Dubya got his headlines and the M$M was his patsy yet again....
I think we are winning the war and things are very much improving, not that they hadn't been before. Let the troops do their job.
no dan, military spending is a measly 20% of our budget. It's your communist social programs that will bankrupt this country. NOW THAT's A UNDENIABLE FACT!!
a democrat without an agenda, how refreshing.
'Let the troops do their job."
The whole point of Repugs/neo- s/suckers framing Iraq as "we are winning" militarily (co-inciding with the ethnic cleansing of Bagdad and partioning of Iraq) is to distract from the total failure of the surge, which was to allow the Iraqis to achieve political reconciliation.
AIN'T HAPPENING
The major dubya failure is that US/UK oilcs still haven't stolen Iraqi oil. 100's of $Bs more PER YEAR for permanent, oppressive occupation of Iraq is all dubya can manage of his oil grab before he slinks out of office as the worst president in US history.
Iraq is same as Viet Nam. The US supported a failed/incompetent/corrupt political class.
As refreshing as a republican without an agenda. Come on man, it goes both ways.
But what is winning? Is it going to stop terrorism? No. Iran is next. The war on terrorism cannot and will not stop. There are many democrats who believe as JFK did that we must defend against any foe.
But the facts are that civilian deaths and attacks have fallen since the surge. And so have US casualties. Many of the people of Iraq have gotten their lives back and there is plenty of good news to go around.
It is the constant negative at udes amongst many democrats that fuels the "they want us to lose" rhetoric from the right.
Iraq is going to cost trillions of dollars and we will be there years to come. But things are getting better but I do agree that the Iraqi government is the biggest obstacle to success and troop withdrawals.
"civilian deaths"
The US and Iraqi govt have quit making civilian death records easily available.
"attacks have fallen since the surge"
The fact is that co-incidence doesn't mean causality.
"Many of the people of Iraq have gotten their lives back and there is plenty of good news to go around."
Maybe a few, and that's wonderful, but the vast majority who are still in Iraq are ed, no water, no/intermittant electricity, rampant/pervasive corruption, esp by the govt, high crime rate, no jobs, etc, etc.
Iraq is still a much, much worse place now than in was in Feb 2003.
And those Iraqis who are coming back is due to, eg, Syria and Jordan refusing to admit them or let them stay.
I don't have a "negative at ude" nor am I Democrat.
Nobody likes to lose. The Americans haven't lost in Iraq, the military has done its job under the incredible incompetence of the dubya/ head Exec.
The dubya/ head Exec, EXCLUSIVELY, has lost Iraq. No one else is responsible, no matter how insane are the lies from, eg, Rove, trying to blame Iraq on a Repug-dominated Congress.
Strain as spinners may to paint Iraq as a success, it's an utter, total failure on every count.
Last edited by boutons_; 12-03-2007 at 01:08 PM.
Below, remember that if you get your $40K sign-up bonues but get injured and can't complete the contracted term, "the Army wants you" to give the bonus back. Not only will your body and/or mind be ed for an oil grab, the Army will be dunning you for $$$.
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Patriotism dwindling, Army turns to cash in search of recruits
12/03/2007 @ 9:18 am
Filed by Jason Rhyne
For enterprising young people hoping to pay down their mortgages or start up a business, they can talk to their banks -- or they can try their local Army recruiter.
Starting in January, five US cities will serve as test markets for the Army Advantage Program, a new recruitment incentive package which will dole out $40,000 to enlistees willing to fulfill a five-year commitment in the service, reports the Cleveland Plain Dealer's Patrick O'Donnell. The money must be applied to mortgages or used to benefit a registered business. Lower-dollar amounts will be offered for shorter stints.
"The old patriotic reasons aren't quite pulling in recruits for the Army as well as they used to. So the Army is adding a new financial incentive to the college tuition benefits and bonuses it already offers," writes O'Donnell. Cleveland joins Albany, NY; Montgomery, Ala; Seattle and San Antonio as the first to offer the incentive.
( the "college tuition" offer is a joke )
"The money is available to soldiers after they finish their enlistment and they show proof to the Army that they are trying to buy a house or have registered a business with their state," O'Donnell reports. "If the house purchase or business start-up does not go through, they may keep the money." A spokeswoman for the Army told the paper that the new program would give the Army tools to compete with private sector opportunities available to potential recruits.
"This is a very difficult time to recruit for an all-volunteer army," she said. "We have to compete with the other options that are out there in the civilian world. This is a way of competing."
O'Donnell reports that one former local Army recruiter, David Hack, was surprised by the new bonus -- but said he didn't think it would be the deciding factor in whether young people decided to sign up.
"This is just icing on the cake," Hack told the paper. "The main selling point for a young man or woman is duty...You can't pay a person to put the uniform on. You can't pay him to run up the hill and charge live ammo."
( if it were "duty", why arenm't there enough suckers, esp red-state/"Christian" crusaders, feeling the call of "duty" ?)
The program is just the latest in an array of Army efforts to boost surging recruitment requirements. In August, the Army ins uted a "quick ship" bonus that offered $20,000 in cash to recruits willing to begin their training within weeks of sign-up. According to the Plain Dealer, such bonuses cannot be added to the mortgage/business payout if a recruit is already receiving the $40,000 maximum amount.
In addition to bonuses and incentives, the Army has also recently lowered their recruitment standards in a push to meet goals. As reported last week by the Boston Globe, the Army has "accepted a growing percentage of recruits who do not meet its own minimum fitness standards. The October statistics show that at least 1 of every 5 recruits required a waiver to join the service, leading military analysts to conclude that the Army is lowering standards more than it has in decades."
http://rawstory.com//printstory.php?story=8443
There are an estimated 4 million Iraqi refugees in Iraqi neighboring states is squalor camps- this is a huge story that the U.S. M$M has not reported....and remember as woeful at actually reporting as the M$M is, if the M$M doesn't report it, to most people, it didn't happen...ut the facts are that civilian deaths and attacks have fallen since the surge. And so have US casualties. Many of the people of Iraq have gotten their lives back and there is plenty of good news to go around.
...No, it's the only thing chicken-hawks have to attack war critics with, they did the same thing during Vietnam... and when they are unsuccessful at ending the fighting in Iraq, like Vietnam, they will blame the critics for losing the war.....It is the constant negative at udes amongst many democrats that fuels the "they want us to lose" rhetoric from the right.
Dan, just to put things in perspective. Before the trade with
China began, how much of our money did they have?
After trade began, where are they going to invest or spend
their money, except with us?
Have someone's currency doesn't make give anyone
dominance over the other. We also received something
of value from the country we bought those goods from.
I know this is a simplistic view, but you seemed to not
understand economics.
Have you ever read Dr. Williams columns. You know when
you go to the grocery store to buy something, they never
buy anything from you, and you have an imbalance of
payments since you spend more with them than they
do with you. But you got something of value in return for
you dollars. Food.
spin the cholera in sewage-challenged Bagdad.
(the Green Zone cocoon's water and sanitation will be OK)
"Cholera Crisis Hits Baghdad
By David Smith
The Observer UK
Sunday 02 December 2007
Iraqi capital fears an epidemic if stricken sewerage system collapses as the rainy season arrives.
Baghdad is facing a 'catastrophe' with cases of cholera rising sharply in the past three weeks to more than 100, strengthening fears that poor sanitation and the imminent rainy season could create an epidemic.
The disease - spread by bacteria in contaminated water, which can result in rapid dehydration and death - threatens to blunt growing optimism in the Iraqi capital after a recent downturn in violence. Two boys in an orphanage have died and six other children were diagnosed with the disease, according to the Iraqi government. 'We have a catastrophe in Baghdad,' an official said."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2220624,00.html
I still say things are looking better than they did months ago.
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