Reply With Quote
condensing post.
Whereas your movies require a neat little box with a bow-tie attached. And that's fine. That's what you enjoy. But don't pretend that you enjoy such endings for their subtlety. You like the cut and dried simple endings that leave you with a smile on your face, and this movie isn't that. More power to you.
--quote-- Yet you Cry Havoc claim he should have just sat there or he would have been killed. Yet Llewelen did indeed rise above the truck and that is how he injured Chigar. How else would he have gotten a shot off b-u-t to rise above the truck. Chigar by then was following the blood trail. You want him to sit there and get shot by Chigar? Lame. --quote--
And for the record, it is supposed to represent a real confrontation. I realize that you might play counterstrike, but that does not translate into the fear you feel when you're actually being shot at, or when you're standing 20 feet away from a man with a loaded shotgun who wants to kill you. I've been around guns my entire life, shot more weapons than most people have even looked at, and I'm damned sure that if I ever heard a .45 slug (or any caliber bullet, to be honest) go whizzing past me, I would be happy if I could maintain bladder control, let alone think clearly enough to respond in the most strategically feasible manner. That goes DOUBLE for shotguns, especially after I've already been hit in the left shoulder by the same person. Shotguns don't miss too often. But yeah, I'm sure you would have been fine. It's hard being an internet tough guy.
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 11-19-2007 at 03:50 PM.
condensing post.
I'm not going to read the darkened text because I'm very excited to see this film, but I'm beginning to think you all are posting in invisible text just to post in invisible text.
quote from Joel Cohen RE the end:
JC: That’s very much a reflection of the way the book works. It had to be modified from the book in service of the drama, but those particular things didn’t bother us. That was part of the reason we thought the novel was interesting and interesting to adapt into a movie. It’s a crime story, but it doesn’t resolve itself like a conventional crime story. We're aware that when we're making a movie, we are not making a movie for everybody. But we’re convinced we’re making it for enough people who can see it as an interesting thing that we don’t worry about it.
Pretty good take elsewhere on potentially why Chigurh did not kill Ed Bell at the hotel:
About Chigurh and Bell at the Motel, and why there was no bloody confrontation:
My understanding is that there were TWO doors taped off, with Chigurh standing behind one of them. Bell, with either a great stroke of luck, or perhaps a keen sense of impending danger, chose the right door. Again, chance plays with fate, only this time there was a positive outcome.
Another poster thought Chigar might have crawled thru the duct to escape with the money thru the other room. I dunno about that.
Last edited by Fabbs; 11-19-2007 at 11:57 PM.
so much for keeping this thread spoiler-free.
Hey Fabbs you ! edit your post . Some people here have not seen it yet
Crymonosylab,
And for the record, it is supposed to represent a real confrontation. I realize that you might play counterstrike, but that does not translate into the fear you feel when you're actually being shot at, or when you're standing 20 feet away from a man with a loaded shotgun who wants to kill you. I've been around guns my entire life, shot more weapons than most people have even looked at, and I'm damned sure that if I ever heard a .45 slug (or any caliber bullet, to be honest) go whizzing past me, I would be happy if I could maintain bladder control, let alone think clearly enough to respond in the most strategically feasible manner. That goes DOUBLE for shotguns, especially after I've already been hit in the left shoulder by the same person. Shotguns don't miss too often. But yeah, I'm sure you would have been fine. It's hard being an internet tough guy.
So Mr. Been around guns,
Where you going to address these, or are we also to buy that Llewelyn was too preoccupied with bladder control issues to pull the trigger?
Putting aside the wrecked truck shooting above car/below car scene, Llewelyn noobness shows in:
1. Went back to original crime scene.
2. Failed to shoot Chigar thru the motel door when he had the chance.
Especially #2.
I don't think anyone who has not seen the movie would keep reading scrolling down our ghost posts. And i knew it would give Brady Sniffer another reason to have the enjoyment he derives from getting his pampers changed. But alas, in the chance it might spoil anyone I did edit.
Just cuz you're a moron who doesn't know about movies or how to prevent from leaking spoilers in a thread doesn't mean you need to take it out on me.
Oh hey I think Bad Boys 2 is available online at blockbuster.com you can go have a blast with that one.
also, Cry Havoc and I are two different people, I'm sorry that our screen names are so similar that you can't tell the difference. But maybe next time you don't have to address me in a post directed at him.
Naw, i think your vast gun knowledge comes from watching fights break out at NASCAR. And your posts seemed to be either the same person or some spoonin. Beavis n Bu...nevermind.
Crymonosylab,
So Mr. Been around guns,
Where you going to address these, or are we also to buy that Llewelyn was too preoccupied with bladder control issues to pull the trigger?
Putting aside the wrecked truck shooting above car/below car scene, Llewelyn noobness shows in:
1. Went back to original crime scene.
2. Failed to shoot Chigar thru the motel door when he had the chance.
Especially #2.
Uhm. Wow. You've proved that the Llewelyn isn't an experienced criminal, nor does he have a great skill for stalking and slaying another person. Bravo. You've just re-iterated one of the points of the movie: That the killer here holds a much greater advantage due to his experience with death and malice. The fact that Llewelyn is a protagonist doesn't save him from mistakes, nor does it make him Captain America, able to dodge bullets and fly in the face of danger. Maybe it's due to the fact that he hasn't murdered someone in such a way before. Again, I'm sure you would be able to pull the trigger and end another human being's life with no problem, but I think the directors were attempting to portray the scene a little more realistically. It's not easy to kill someone, no matter what the cir stances.
So basically all you've done is to state that Llewelyn is a noob and isn't the smartest guy in the world. BRILLIANT. I'm sure Josh Brolin would agree with you! Stunningly astute observation, really. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to being Monohavoc. It's tough posting as two people who sound nothing alike and consumes most of my free time.
Since mono and I are apparently the same, I guess I can answer this. It's not so much that we're in agreement with each other, it's just that we have a strong disagreement with the disease known as stupid. And that's where you come in!
never mind is right. the quicker you stop posting the sooner you'll stop making an idot of yourself.
People, please go see this movie. It's incredible. And if you have the same movie taste as Fabbs, you can always about the ending and then go find Navy SEALS at Blockbuster.
Did you catch the irony they used near the end, after the car accident, when the killer has to get a shirt from the kid? I have a theory about that. I think the Anton was watching Llewelyn the entire time, even on the bridge with the college students. When he gets in that car wreck, he HAS to give the kid some money, otherwise he would be taking for free what Llewelyn paid for. I think it was a reflection of his moral compass and it tell us that Anton was playing with him all along.
Why else give money to the kid? You would think he would kill him for seeing him in such a crippled state, but instead he gives money to him. It seems so out of character for him that I think it's more significant than just simple irony.
I didn't think of it at the time, but it makes alot of sense. As I left the theater, one thing I wished I saw more of was explanation as to exactly what makes Anton tick, what drives him. The coin scenes were fun but I wanted to get a little deeper into it. I'm thinking now that it's all there, I just need to dissect it a little more the next time I see it. I also haven't read the book yet, maybe that will offer some more insight as well.
So now you are flip flopping from a logistics strategey excuse to Llewelyn, full well knowing he is being hunted, couldn't pull the trigger at the hotel because it's not "easy" to kill *someone*. Well isn't that sensitive.Crymonosylab,
So Mr. Been around guns,
Where you going to address these, or are we also to buy that Llewelyn was too preoccupied with bladder control issues to pull the trigger?
Putting aside the wrecked truck shooting above car/below car scene, Llewelyn noobness shows in:
1. Went back to original crime scene.
2. Failed to shoot Chigar thru the motel door when he had the chance.
Especially #2.
Uhm. Wow. You've proved that the Llewelyn isn't an experienced criminal, nor does he have a great skill for stalking and slaying another person. Bravo. You've just re-iterated one of the points of the movie: That the killer here holds a much greater advantage due to his experience with death and malice. The fact that Llewelyn is a protagonist doesn't save him from mistakes, nor does it make him Captain America, able to dodge bullets and fly in the face of danger. Maybe it's due to the fact that he hasn't murdered someone in such a way before. Again, I'm sure you would be able to pull the trigger and end another human being's life with no problem, but I think the directors were attempting to portray the scene a little more realistically. It's not easy to kill someone, no matter what the cir stances.
So basically all you've done is to state that Llewelyn is a noob and isn't the smartest guy in the world. BRILLIANT. I'm sure Josh Brolin would agree with you! Stunningly astute observation, really. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to being Monohavoc. It's tough posting as two people who sound nothing alike and consumes most of my free time.
What a cop out.
By that time Llewelyn had more then ample knowledge that Chigar was not your average "someone" and was Chigar was trying to murder him at any cost. Llewelyn had NO problem wanting to kill Chigar 1st if he could. At the hotel door, he simply waited a moment too long.
Spare us from your theory on why Llews going back to the crime scene was not a noob error. Oh you already have. Thank you. Well, at least all that patting on the back was you on yourself, not mono n you?
I don't even have a clue what Fabbs' point is anymore.
Good, that way your hero(s) stay intact.
Good review here:
One minute he's talking about going after Chigurh and the next we're cutting to a scene of him laying dead on the floor af a cheap motel. WTF did I miss? Who killed him? Why would the writer set up this big showdown and then not let you even know how he was killed or who killed him. It was a great movie up until that point and then it went way downhill.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
You are absolutely right about this and the novel is flawed too. The movie indulges in all these scenes of guys choking on blood and when it comes to what is supposed to be a central character, Moss a whole scene that should have been is chopped out.
If that's the best way to make a movie you could cut out half of the scenes. Why not cut out him jumping into the river and killing the dog? You could have just shown him running from the mexicans and then cut to him climbing out of the river with a dead dog on the shore. We would have learned that he swam away and shot the dog, but part of the fun and satisfaction of a movie is seeing what happens.
But the unsympathetic average joe, Moss is only superficially a central character. The whole movie is an excuse to show how cool Chigurh is, his persistence and determination and the neat ways he blows away people.
So don't try to cr icize this movie. To critisize this movie is to criticize Chigurh and Chigurh is the people's hero.
Sorry guys there are other plot/book flaws as others point out. These and the ending which is supposed to be excused because it's "enigmatic" is just bad film making as per plot by the admitedly talented Coen Brothers. Fargo is a much better film but I'm sorry the killer is not as "neato" as in No Country.
So some viewers who also idolize Frank Booth may not agree.
This stuff that is left out of the movie is an emperor has no clothes tactic to make you confused and think the movie is more profound than it is and it's easier than trying to do these scenes well (not necessarily long and drawn out but simply connecting the story as a narrative, basic good storytelling) It is a typical crime drama pursuit plot (lacking even in twists of that genre) with some stuff cut out and confused/cute philosophical ramblings sprinkled on top (to make you think it's arty) as we get off kicking in doors and shooting people.
Well I guess not every movie can achieve the cinematic genius of Swordfish. I'm sorry you didn't like this one.Good, that way your hero(s) stay intact.
Good review here:
One minute he's talking about going after Chigurh and the next we're cutting to a scene of him laying dead on the floor af a cheap motel. WTF did I miss? Who killed him? Why would the writer set up this big showdown and then not let you even know how he was killed or who killed him. It was a great movie up until that point and then it went way downhill.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
You are absolutely right about this and the novel is flawed too. The movie indulges in all these scenes of guys choking on blood and when it comes to what is supposed to be a central character, Moss a whole scene that should have been is chopped out.
If that's the best way to make a movie you could cut out half of the scenes. Why not cut out him jumping into the river and killing the dog? You could have just shown him running from the mexicans and then cut to him climbing out of the river with a dead dog on the shore. We would have learned that he swam away and shot the dog, but part of the fun and satisfaction of a movie is seeing what happens.
But the unsympathetic average joe, Moss is only superficially a central character. The whole movie is an excuse to show how cool Chigurh is, his persistence and determination and the neat ways he blows away people.
So don't try to cr icize this movie. To critisize this movie is to criticize Chigurh and Chigurh is the people's hero.
Sorry guys there are other plot/book flaws as others point out. These and the ending which is supposed to be excused because it's "enigmatic" is just bad film making as per plot by the admitedly talented Coen Brothers. Fargo is a much better film but I'm sorry the killer is not as "neato" as in No Country.
So some viewers who also idolize Frank Booth may not agree.
This stuff that is left out of the movie is an emperor has no clothes tactic to make you confused and think the movie is more profound than it is and it's easier than trying to do these scenes well (not necessarily long and drawn out but simply connecting the story as a narrative, basic good storytelling) It is a typical crime drama pursuit plot (lacking even in twists of that genre) with some stuff cut out and confused/cute philosophical ramblings sprinkled on top (to make you think it's arty) as we get off kicking in doors and shooting people.
the movie isn't done to show people how cool chigurgh is, it's more about what he represents and bell's observations about how his world has changed. i don't think his speeches were just tossed in, they were consistent throughout the movie. moss is a central character, he just makes an earlier exit than most protagonists. Fabbs has been goaded from criticizing the ending to basically finding reviews that bash the whole thing. i thought blood simple was better than fargo too, but it didn't have much to do with how "neato" m. emmet walsh was in it. there is a lot more stuff chigurgh could have done in the movie if it were just about how "neato" he was. that review you found is just trite.We're aware that when we're making a movie, we are not making a movie for everybody. But we’re convinced we’re making it for enough people who can see it as an interesting thing that we don’t worry about it.
Last edited by leemajors; 11-20-2007 at 11:54 AM.
Nice twisty try Lee, but actually i thought it oozed potential and I do not agree with every aspect of the review. Awesome camera work, good plot till halftime. However the parts of the review i find spot on are "But the unsympathetic average joe, Moss is only superficially a central character. The whole movie is an excuse to show how cool Chigurh is, his persistence and determination and the neat ways he blows away people.
So don't try to cr icize this movie. To critisize this movie is to criticize Chigurh and Chigurh is the people's hero." Que Beavis n Butthead.
Far from being goaded, i enjoyed fishing Mono. Monos complete total summary as to why the movie is good is "because it's good man, and anyone who says it isn't sucks". I knew he and Cry couldn't be one in the same because Cry can string together more then one sentence. And provide some reasons as to why he thinks so, even if he flip flops and disappears in prove it time. As you do with Llewelyns numerous chances.
Chigurh. The peoples hero.
So now you are flip flopping from a logistics strategey excuse to Llewelyn, full well knowing he is being hunted, couldn't pull the trigger at the hotel because it's not "easy" to kill *someone*. Well isn't that sensitive.
What a cop out.
By that time Llewelyn had more then ample knowledge that Chigar was not your average "someone" and was Chigar was trying to murder him at any cost. Llewelyn had NO problem wanting to kill Chigar 1st if he could. At the hotel door, he simply waited a moment too long.
Spare us from your theory on why Llews going back to the crime scene was not a noob error. Oh you already have. Thank you. Well, at least all that patting on the back was you on yourself, not mono n you?
What are you talking about? Ducking down behind a truck while being shot at and pulling the trigger on someone 5 feet away are completely different things. One involves a snap decision to act, the other is a methodical realization that you hold another person's life in your hands.
Once again, have you ever killed someone? Ever pulled the trigger and watched the consequences afterwards? No? Then stop talking like a badass. I know, I know, years of trolling the internets has made you a hardened thug, and you just know you could gun down 47 men in 5 minutes and then sit down and have a nice steak dinner with no lasting side effects.
And for the record, no, I've never killed anyone. However, my father has, and I'm sorry, but he knows a of a lot more about what it feels like than you do, judging by your comments. And even though he was justified to shoot to kill, it still made him sick to his stomach, every single time. It doesn't matter if the other person is trying to kill you. You're taking a life. It is something that will never leave you. The fact that Llewelyn doesn't shoot at the first chance is something I consider a welcome change from the typical Hollywood movie where the characters are invincible and know it.
Besides, what the are you talking about when you say you could kill someone with no hesitancy? You want to seriously brag about that? You've got problems if you're calling someone a noob for hesitating to kill another person.
Lay off the Halo, buddy. It doesn't make you nearly as tough as you think.
For the record, No Country is now ranked as the 70th highest movie on imdb, and if it's score holds, will reach into the top 10, all-time. The critics have responded as well, with an almost unanimous shower of praise. So yeah, I guess it's just me, Lee, and mono (me again) who thinks it's a decent piece of film-making.
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 11-20-2007 at 12:20 PM.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions