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Yea.....HA HA...the Mavs lose...HA HA...the Mavs lose...HA HA...the Mavs lose...
HA HA...the Mavs lose...HA HA...the Mavs lose...HA HA...the Mavs lose...
Yea.....HA HA...the Mavs lose...HA HA...the Mavs lose...HA HA...the Mavs lose...
Well think of it this way Mav fans, what good did it do you last year to peak in the regular season?
He's got a point there...
O'Neal is overrated (and waaaay overpaid!), and he messes with the team chemistry when he plays...IMO
Perhaps he'd be better if he was paired with a true franchise player, but HE is not that player.
Last edited by SpursFanFirst; 11-24-2007 at 12:29 AM.
I don't agree with that at all. O'Neal is a black hole on offense, has an at ude about being there, and because of injuries he's not the same defender he once was. Major Ewing Theory Potential here. When he's in, his teammates get to stand around and watch him iso. When he's out, they get to move the ball around instead of just watching. Kind of like how the Sixers were better without Iverson last year.They should be dominating these kinds of teams especially since O'Neal is out.
We didn't shoot well, were too reliant on jumpers, I don't get the Bass isolation at the end, surely they didn't draw it up for him. Then Jet and Dirk fumbling the exchange on the inbounds pass. They played too ty to pull this one out. But Devin Harris is pretty ing good right now. There's only a few PGs besides Nash, Deron, Baron, Kidd and Paul who can top what Devin is doing right now. He was ing awesome tonight , and he's been pretty ing awesome the whole season.
Last edited by Findog; 11-24-2007 at 12:47 AM.
Watched the game and was bleh. We were due to lose after finding ways to comeback after digging ourselves a big hole in each of these games this past week. One thing is certain...we have work to do but it is a long season. I dont know what to expect against the Bucks tomorrow night. I could see us rebounding and getting a win or getting our asses kicked due to being fatigued fighting so hard to come back from 24,17, and 16 deficits in 3 of the last 4 days. We'll see.
We're hoping that taking the Spurs' approach of consistently losing to middle of the pack East teams in the regular season will pay off with Spurs-like results in April and beyond.
it's actually the cellar dweller east teams that we struggle against... bobcats, atlanta, bucks etc. : /We're hoping that taking the Spurs' approach of consistently losing to middle of the pack East teams in the regular season will pay off with Spurs-like results in April and beyond.
If they wanted it they would have said something. They obviously were looking to Dirk to provide some goddamn leadership out there.
No way Paul Westphal is telling Dirk ing Nowitzki the MVP that he's gonna go with Brandon Bass being the #1 option in crunch time.
If Dirk really wanted it, he would have done what Michael Jordan & any other true leader would do - say " that , give me the ing ball and stay out of the ing way! The rest of you assholes better rebound and play some defense, cuz I'm putting the ball in the hoop until we win."
Surprisingly, you are correct. I have been keeping tabs on Josh Howard's stats since I have him in one of my fantasy teams.
And guess what, during the first week of the NBA fantasy season, I traded my Dirk Nowitzki plus one decent PG for Chris Kaman and Manu Ginobili.
Right now... Kaman > Nowitzki.
Pretty good deal so far.
Wow. I think you forgot the S.A. point guard in your list.
Me hurts now very bad.
The best part is...the same thing happened in the Houston game. Brandon Bass was the one posting up in the 4th quarter and taking shots. Mavs got lucky that game that he was making them and that Devin Harris was making his shots as well in the 4th.
Im starting to think Avery is doing this purposely. Slump in the first two quarters and let's see how you do in the 3rd and 4th when the Mavs really play hard. This could be useful in the playoffs.
I just still fall under the group of people that has a hard time believing that coahes purposely coach their teams to play poorly. I just don't think there is any coach who is able to coach their team down when they are often struggling to get them to do the right things most the time. Maybe this is the case but I can't imagine this happening.
I think Parker is a very good player. I also think he benefits a lot with Duncan behind him.
Devin Harris's stats might look good now, but it will all even out. In reality, he's nowhere near the caliber of ANY of those players he listed + Parker.
Devin Harris is a starter for Dallas out of necessity, because J. Terry is an awful failure as a point guard & they don't have anyone else. Harris is fast, but he's got serious offensive limitations -- especially his ball-handling, passing, and shooting. Good defender, and he seems like a smart guy; but for some reason he sometimes just doesn't play very smart at all, and makes horrible errors.
No way does Harris belong in that list + Parker. Not yet, and probably not ever.
Ever stop to consider that maybe the coaches are purposefully trying to give a guy like Bass meaningful opportunities at the end of a game to help develop him?
My ass Dirk "didn't want the ball". The play was called for Bass. They know Dirk and Jet can hit end of game shots when it counts. They're trying to see what else they have. If we're on our last possession of a playoff game and the opposing D aggressively fronts/doubles Dirk, don't you think it'll be nice to have a guy in the low post we can toss it in to for an easy basket?
lol owned.
Dallas is a high caliber team, no worries until the playoffs.
I didn't mention any of his stats. I could really give a about his stats, good as they are this far into the season. If you watched the Mavericks this year, he's arguably been our best player.Devin Harris's stats might look good now,
I didn't say he was as good as those elite PGs. But the gap isn't that wide.In reality, he's nowhere near the caliber of ANY of those players he listed + Parker.
Devin Harris is a starter for Dallas because he's a pure point guard and he's ing good.Devin Harris is a starter for Dallas out of necessity,
Terry is a tweener and is better suited for the Vinnie Johnson role. Harris started last year for us. Terry is on the bench because an undersized backcourt got exposed when we went up against Davis and Richardson.because J. Terry is an awful failure as a point guard
.Harris is fast, but he's got serious offensive limitations -- especially his ball-handling, passing, and shooting
2005-06 scouting report.
Seriously, you haven't watched him at ALL this year. It's only 12 games so far, but none of those things are true. He's also about to turn 25, so it would make sense that he's on the upward arc of his career and only getting better.
Harris is easily in the second tier of PGs after Kidd, Nash, Deron, Paul, etc. I don't know what his ceiling is but given his age he should only continue to get better. He has a consistent outside jumper now, so pack the lane at your peril. His ballhandling and decision-making is better. He's an excellent defender, not just on the ball but on his rotations and closing out on guys. Dirk is putting up 21, 9 and 5 on 48% shooting, Howard is putting up 22 and 6 on 52% shooting, but Harris has easily been no less than our second-best player. Definitely our most important.No way does Harris belong in that list + Parker. Not yet, and probably not ever.
Last edited by Findog; 11-24-2007 at 02:57 PM.
For fantasy purposes only, and that's with full acknowledgment that Kaman has been a beast.
Okay, Findog. I agree with you on a few of your points, and it seems you are willing to concede that JET is pretty much a shooting guard. I've been arguing that for years against Dallas fans. He's is a very bad starting point guard, but a good 6th man shooter. No argument.I didn't mention any of his stats. I could really give a about his stats, good as they are this far into the season. If you watched the Mavericks this year, he's arguably been our best player.
I didn't say he was as good as those elite PGs. But the gap isn't that wide.
Devin Harris is a starter for Dallas because he's a pure point guard and he's ing good.
Terry is a tweener and is better suited for the Vinnie Johnson role.
2005-06 scouting report.
Seriously, you haven't watched him at ALL this year. It's only 12 games so far, but none of those things are true. He's also about to turn 25, so it would make sense that he's on the upward arc of his career and only getting better.
Harris is easily in the second tier of PGs after Kidd, Nash, Deron, etc. I don't know what his ceiling is but given his age he should only continue to get better. He has a consistent outside jumper now, so pack the lane at your peril. His ballhandling and decision-making is better. He's an excellent defender, not just on the ball but on his rotations and closing out on guys. Dirk is putting up 21, 9 and 5 on 48% shooting, Howard is putting up 22 and 6 on 52% shooting, but Harris has easily been no less than our second-best player. Easily our most important.
And I see that you concede that Harris is not a 1st tier point guard. You argue that he's 2nd tier, and I still dispute even that. I don't think Harris is at that point yet, but he MIGHT get there. Personally, I think he's a decent player but I think he's probably one of the worst starters in the league. He's a guy that should be coming off the bench and getting minutes, but I don't think he's really a starting caliber point-guard. It is necessity, not because he's so freaking good. Who else do they have?
Right now, Devin Harris certainly plays at a high level, above average among other PGs of the league, and pretty close to the upper echelon PGs that called elite. But the consistency is still a valid question against him, so we'll see the truth after this season end. I think he will endure some ups & down, frustating moment like what Parker has experienced in the past. If he can persevere & keep developing, he might get there as an elite eventually.
He hasn't done this for 82 games, so skepticism might be warranted. But the way he's played so far has been pretty damn good. It would appear that he's worked on his flaws -- I no longer cringe when he takes a three or a long two, he's making his share of those. His defense is as good as ever. He doesn't overdribble or try to do too much. It's no surprise that when he was sitting against Toronto, they went up by 24, and when he came back, we made a quick run to get the deficit down to 14 at the half. It's no surprise to me that Houston built up a 17-point lead when he was sitting on the bench and we began our comeback when he checked back in. Last night we played an overall ty game against Indiana and didn't deserve to win, but he ignited the comeback. If he keeps this up, it solves some of our weaknesses from that GS series, and he's one of the few guys that can play Tony Parker to a draw, at least. Sometimes we'll win that matchup.
It's safe to say that Parker passed the "very good" level after last years playoff performance. He is one of the elite point guards in the game who has really grown as a player and a co-leader. He is a legit star in this league because he is that amazing. Having Duncan helps but that doesnt take away that he is one of the best pg's in the league hands down.
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