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He needs to stop playing Mike D'Antoni and start playing role of motivator. We have quiet leaders on the floor, so he needs to be the one to take charge.
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guess that's what you have to hold onto when your team isn't ranked.
who exactly is your team?
the one that i bet on that covers the number..
but UT runs a close 2nd..
I figured
Didn't matter to the committee last year when they took 5th place Tech (9-7) over 4th place K-State (10-6)....just 3 days after K-State spanked Tech on a neutral floor.
I wouldn't fire him after one year, but that's stupid of Turgeon to say. In terms of recent collapses down the stretch, there is only one common denominator on that team, and it's not any of the players.
You'd think at some point he'd start to realize that when most of his teams collapse at the end of the season (sometimes monumentally), it might - just MIGHT - have something to do with what he is doing...
...bad loss at home. i expected A&M to be more compe ive. at this point i think A&M is in the tourney, but a conference tourney win would be nice.
better not lose to 14-17 ISU or the committe may have to leave us out.
lol...why?
ttek had a better rpi and better resume in general than KSU did.
This year, atm is last amongst all those teams in rpi and SOS:
(rpi as per CBS: uo - 24, BU - 38, KSU - 39, atm - t50)
(rpi as per NCAA: uo - 28, BU - 33, KSU - 42, atm - 46)
(as per Realtime RPI: uo - 24, BU - 36, KSU - 44, atm - 47)
(SOS as per CBS: uo - 12, BU - 37, KSU - 20, atm - 58)
as per Realtime RPI: uo - 10, BU - 31, KSU - 26, atm 57)
Therefore this year, atm is competing with a team that finished 3rd in the B12 with a 10-6 record as their closest rpi.
At this point UT, KU and KSU have bids locked up.
I would say uo was a sure thing because they are 4th seed with a 1st round bye and will play either the 5th seed BU or CU if they upset BU. Therefore if they would happen to lose to BU there is no stigma loss as BU is most likely in as well or even if they lose to CU because they will have also just upset the 5-seed.
For the same reasons listed above, I also say BU is in. They beat CU and lose to uo, they were supposed to. They lose to CU and they were still the 5th seed and last team with a winning B12 record, PLUS have a sub-40 rpi. Only 2 or 3 teams have EVER been left out of the NCAA when from a BCS conf and an rpi in the 30s.
That means atm is competing with itself for a spot. No worry about ttek or OSU getting a spot unless they win it all (and then only one of them because those 2 teams play the 1st game on Thurs). atm has a poor resume, poor SOS, no good road wins, 3-6 vs the rpi top 50, 2 bad losses at home, non-conf SOS that ranks outside the top 200. Only real nice win on paper is a rivalry game.
So here is the skinny:
Teams in:
- ACC (4): Duke, North Carolina, Clemson, Miami
- Big 12 (5): Kansas, Texas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Baylor
- Big East (7): Connecticut, Georgetown, Louisville, Marquette, Notre Dame, - Pittsburgh, West Virginia
- Big Ten (4): Indiana, Michigan State, Purdue, Wisconsin
- Pac-10 (4): Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington State
- SEC (3): Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
- West Coast (2): St. Mary's, Gonzaga
- Others (9): Butler (Horizon), BYU (Mountain West), *Drake (Missouri Valley), Memphis (C-USA), Xavier (Atlantic 10), *Cornell (Ivy League), *Winthrop (Big South), *Austin Peay (Ohio Valley), *Belmont (Atlantic Sun)
* -- denotes automatic bid
- Other leagues (15): America East, Big Sky, Big West, Colonial, MAC, Metro Atlantic, MEAC, Northeast, Patriot, Southern, Southland, Summit, Sun Belt, SWAC and WAC
That is 53 teams that I call in, and the only ones to argue would be the B12 ones. Fact is atm WANTS all those B12 teams as automatics because atm will be, no kidding, the 6th team taken from B12 or stay home.
I also think that after this weekend you HAVE to include the following before atm:
- arKy (rpi 40 beat Vandy, Baylor, Miss State)
- UK (rpi 52, SOS 11, beat Tenn & arKy, and only losses in last 13 games are @ Tenn and @ Vandy); Plus they are 12-4 in SEC
- Ohio St (rpi 48, SOS 16, beat Mich St, Purdue, Cuse) won back-to-back games against Top 25 teams to end season
56 teams and 9 bids left. You have to figure at the VERY least one team that is not in will win someone's tourney (like the A-10 or CUSA) that will lessen even further your error of margin.
Teams not listed but ahead of atm in rpi are the ones atm fighting with:
UNLV - rpi 29
Zona - rpi 32, SOS 2
UMass - rpi 37
Ole Miss - rpi 45, 6-3 vs rpi Top 50
Cuse - rpi 47, SOS 7
New Mex - rpi t50
Needless to say, atm is fighting for one of the last bids left. A loss to ISU and they are out. I wouldn't feel safe unless they are still playing Sat.
atm is looking to become the 1st EVER 8-8 team from the B12 taken in the NCAA.
So CaptMike copied and pasted a lot of other people's thoughts into this thread to make a single point that all A&M fans already knew: the Ags can't fall to Iowa State and probably need to beat KSU to get to Saturday in order to bolster their tourney resume.
Otherwise, if they lose to Iowa State, then they're going to have to prepare heavily for Marist in the NIT.
Mike is to bias as Fox is to Fair and Balanced.
i bet A&M is in if they beat Iowa State...they don't have to beat k-state to get in.
2 more spots went last night: San Diego wasn't in yet SM and Zags are, plus S Bama lost and they will be in for sure.
- ACC (4): Duke, North Carolina, Clemson, Miami
- Big 12 (5): Kansas, Texas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Baylor
- Big East (7): Connecticut, Georgetown, Louisville, Marquette, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
- Big Ten (4): Indiana, Michigan State, Purdue, Wisconsin
- Pac-10 (4): Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington State
- SEC (3): Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
- West Coast (3): St. Mary's, Gonzaga, San Diego
- Sun Belt (2): South Alabama, tourney champ
- Others (12): Butler (Horizon), BYU (Mountain West), Memphis (C-USA), Xavier (Atlantic 10), *Drake (Missouri Valley), *Cornell (Ivy League), *Winthrop (Big South), *Austin Peay (Ohio Valley), *Belmont (Atlantic Sun), *George Mason (Colonial), *Siena (MAAC), *Davidson (Southern)
* -- denotes automatic bid
Other leagues (12): America East, Big Sky, Big West, MAC, MEAC, Northeast, Patriot, Southland, Summit, Sun Belt, SWAC and WAC
That's 56.
Other teams I think are in:
(7) arKy, UK, Ohio, UNLV, one more from BEast (either Cuse or Nova), at least one more from P10 (Zona, ASU, Ore), New Mexico.
That's 63. I would say that atm would be next-ish on that list. Teams not on this list are VaTek (9-7 in ACC), IllSt (lost in MVC champ game), Temple (beat Xavier and UMass - 2nd in A10), Ole Miss, Florida, Fla St
The A10 tourney is coming up; Xavier is in regardless and I have UMass as an at-large. If anyone else wins it that will be one more spot gone.
P10 tourney coming up. Zona plays Ore State then Stanford, ASU plays USC and Oregon plays Wazzu. I can easily see 2 of these 3 P10 schools getting in, depending on what happens in the tourney, with Ore and Zona having the best chances.
they will crush iowa st...
and they don't play k-state in manhattan this time....so they'll win that one too...but barely.
probably go into the tourney as a 8-9 seed..
They will not go in any higher than a 10 seed; I figure a 12 - 13 as one of the very last at-large selections. They had a much better season/resume in 2006 when they were a 12-seed.
my memory's too bad to remember '06 and i'm too lazy to research this stuff so you may be right about being seeded that low.
but wherever they end up seedwise, i think the committe is going to give them a of a draw the first two rounds.
If A&M goes in as an 11 or 12 seed, and draws a really good defensive team, could something like a 65-25 loss happen?
And shouldn't the fact that I can quite credibly ask that question tell you all you need to know about whether A&M belongs in the NCAA Tournament?
i could see that.
thats silly, depends what A&M does in the tournament. if A&M is on they can hang with any team in the country...problem is, this is probably the most inconsistent team i have ever seen.
(sigh) A&M belongs in the tourney...and i'd bet they win their first round game.
They of course will be trying to win only their 2nd B12 Tourney game... ever; only win in B12 tourney was in 2006 86-53 over CU.
don't think they will beat iowa state? i'll take that bet...?
WOW!!! OMG!! You're so right, Mike. I wish I had such stats at my disposal.
Everyone already knows this. Remember last year when OSU beat A&M by 1 and the Ags dropped to a 3-seed and you guys scored Marist at home in the NIT?
Maybe when you lose this year, I'll come on this board and create a thread and simply say "scoreboard" in it like your smart ass (I would link to that thread, but Kori has disabled the search right now... wait until I have the opportunity).
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