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Now, Findog, you KNOW that defense doesn't matter to "true" fans like DSF.
I edited my last post.
Now, Findog, you KNOW that defense doesn't matter to "true" fans like DSF.
What would the Suns look like with Parker?Conjecture. You cannot conclusively say that Nash would be a good defender with Duncan. The Spurs defense is predicated on extremely fast rotations and allowing no open shots. No breakdowns. Nash would blow a hole in that idea the size of Kansas.
Of course, with Duncan and Bowen teaching him footwork, he just might improve a bit!
Probably how they look when Barbosa's on the court. Their games are much more similar than Nash and Parker's.
Parker scores and thats it.
Yeah, I said as much in post #42. Why wouldn't the Spurs put Bowen on Nash? It would be a waste to have Bowen slack off on Raja camping out at the 3-point line. Just because Bowen does a better job of guarding Nash than Parker doesn't mean Parker is as sucky a defender as Nash.Also, its true that these two don't even guard each other. This gets back to the Nash is bad defender hypocrisy.
Yes, Dirk Nowitzki, the dominating All-Defensive team big man who can score in the post better than KG... oh wait.
Yeah. Which is why I'm pretty pessimistic about the Mavs right now, because our defense sucks ass this early in the season. I know we won't go any further than Round Two unless it improves.
Hahahaha. Please.
Why should the Suns waste Shawn Marion on Bruce Bowen since he just camps out on the three point line?
Just because Marion does a better job on Parker than Nash doesn't mean Nash is as sucky a defender as Parker.
I'd rather have Marion guarding Duncan than Parker, but that's just me and not Coach Three First Names.
Weren't you one of the guys glossing Kurt Thomas' job on Duncan?
Marion doesn't do that great a job on Duncan. The Suns have tried it before.
i find these power rankings a lot more accurate
http://www.nba.com/powerrankings/
Nobody does that great of a job on Duncan. But I think Marion would do better than Amare, Sean Marks or Brian Skinner, which are their only other options.
That's probably true. I was watching the Suns game against the Clippers a few days ago and Ruben Patterson was abusing Marion on the low block like he owed him money.
KT allowed them to get away with not doubling him all the time so they could stay home on San Antonio's 3-point shooters. And on offense, he consistently hit the midrange jumper when the Spurs funneled the ball to him.
He's a big reason why the Suns were actually compe ive this time instead of the waxing they took in 05.
Suns will have no choice but to double team TD.
DSF better hope Barry, Finley, Bowen, Ginobili, PARKER, Horry, Bonner, and the Spurs Coyote aren't knocking down 3's.
I put Nash > Parker though.
Last edited by Walter Craparita; 11-26-2007 at 07:34 PM.
The Spurs don't need TP to play like Nash does. Their roles are totally different so to compare them makes little sense.
But hey just for s and giggles.
Parker had 3 rings and Nash has none.
Which is why Parker has a far superior assist to turnover ratio this year compared to Nash, right?
Championships are an insignificant detail to DSF.
That is true. Why is competing for championships more important than ACTUALLY winning championships more important to DSF? The Suns maybe in the running, but finishing the job started and winning the whole thing are not so grandious to him. Here's to the San Antonio Spurs winning it all again this year!
Nostradomus predicted Suns 2008 Victory.
If not, Nick Saban told me it will be "as tragic as 9/11"
I don't get the logic being used to favor Parker over Nash. What does a team have to do with individual player comparisons? If your only (or best) defense of a Parker over Nash stance is that Parker has three les and a Finals MVP, then it's not much of a defense. There are plenty of role players that have many more les than All-Time greats.That is true. Why is competing for championships more important than ACTUALLY winning championships more important to DSF? The Suns maybe in the running, but finishing the job started and winning the whole thing are not so grandious to him. Here's to the San Antonio Spurs winning it all again this year!
Findog, RonMexico, and maybe others have made some great points for a pro-Nash stance. I'm not saying you would be wrong to have a stance contrary, but it would need to be something a bit more compelling than simply winning a le or three.
Nash is the better shooter by far.
Nash is the better passer by far.
While Parker is the better overall athlete, Nash is very quick in the open floor as well.
In fact, on offense, Parker's best strength is his athletic ability and quickness, the latter being a strength of Nash as well.
Since neither one of the two guards each other, as Marion or Bell is typically on Parker and Bowen is typically on Nash, it's almost impossible to compare defense.
I do know that Parker may be the better defender of the two because he has a coach who's system is based around playing defense and an All-Time defender in Duncan to clean up any mess behind him. If Nash had a better defensive system and a good, consistant shotblocker behind him, since he always puts forth an effort on that end, one would think he'd at least look improved, even if he really isn't.
It's tough to compare the two as each is a different type of PG. However, Nash is the better pure PG and Parker is probably a slightly more complete player.
But Parker's les are a tough addition to consider, especially when you think of past greats like Stockton who never won a le. Is he really any less great because of the failure? Should it really be held against him that he couldn't quite overcome the failures of a team? Basketball is not an individual sport. The failings of a team should only affect an indiviual player from said team to the extent said player put forth a winning effort.
Looking at Nash's stats, I can't say he never gave 100%. He put up amazing stats against a great defensive player and against a great defensive system. I mean, everyone here loves to bash the Suns defense. Well, if Nash put up better numbers than Parker despite playing against the tougher defense, then...
Atlanta, Milwaukee, Indiana ... as proven on the basketball court.
It's Power Rankings overall, not Power Rankings against the Mavs.
Pretty BS PR's there.
Much better.
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