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Yeah...how silly of us.These es putting team accomplishments ahead of individual accomplishments
Who gives a about championships?
hmm... he also had David Robinson
Yeah...how silly of us.These es putting team accomplishments ahead of individual accomplishments
Who gives a about championships?
Tim Duncan, but Howard's numbers make me nostalgic of the numbers Tim used to put up. Howard will be damn good, as he already is, but Duncan is so much more efficient and score by himself way better than Howard. A lot of Howards points are off of assists, such as alleyoops. Duncan has better post moves and is a much better outside shooter. Not to mention Duncan's passing skills >>>>Howard's. Howard is a better rebounder than Duncan, though. In the playoffs, I'm assuming Duncan would teach Howard a few things.
Tim used to have to put up the big numbers and could back when his supporting cast outside of a healthy David Robinson was not as strong.
He does not have to carry the type of load he used to. He may not be the same player as he was when he was 25, but I think there is a number that keeps popping into my head. That number is FOUR.
If you are going ten years into the future, of course you want Howard, but I kind of like the multiple NBA les. Tim should afforded the courtesy of playing as long as he wants in SA, and then walking away with no complaints from us.
You can't really compare Howard and Duncan. There games are entirely different.
HOWARD= DROB
HAKEEM= DUNCAN
David had a better mid-range shot than Howard, but Howard is still relatively young.
Hakeem was quicker than Duncan, but Duncan has more arsenal in the low post.
Howard is better b/c Orlando needs him to be better. I wouldn't take him over Timmy though. Ever
Timmy ain't touching Dwight right now.
Low blow.
every year TD is underestimated............until the playoffs. Even when Manu was playing out of him mind in 2005, in game 7 when everything was on the line and Spurs were 9 pts behind Pistons in the 3rd qtr. and it looked for sure that they were going to lose, TD took over to singlehandedly bring the Spurs back and win the championship. Every one of the 4 rings Spurs won have been mostly due to Duncan, even last year (because the finals were a foregone conclusion as Suns were the real challenger on their way to the championship).
Dwight is still very raw and not as a smart basketball player as DUncan. In the playoffs, Dwight can be shut down relatively easily whereas Duncan will take what the defense gives him.
They play different style. Dwight is more like Amare. Lots of hops, dunks, one-on-one but not necessarily smart in how he uses his teammates. And the last time I checked, basketball is still mainly a team game, not mano-a-mano individual compe ion.
The amazing thing about TD is that he has been playing efficient, smart, team first style since his rookie year. I SWEAR, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT TD NEVER HAD TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT ALMOST ALL NBA PLAYERS (INCLUDING LEBRON) HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH BEFORE BECOMING A GREAT PLAYER. I mean, the first few years i saw him play, he was already playing like a saavy veteran, using his teammates to maximium results. In fact what is really amazing is that his style, approach, and skill sets have not changed that much since the first year he broke into the league. He basically came into the league as a complete player, who understood the basics of the game, had the physical tools to dominate right away and the mental intelligence/toughness to win rings fairly quickly after he left college. Truely a remarkable career when you think about it.
Let's not all over ourselves.
Howard is playing in the Eastern Conference.
If he's out West, I guarantee his numbers are a couple notches down.
what is amazing about Duncan is that he has played the same intelligent way since he JOINED the league. He NEVER Played like a rookie. Yes he stayed in college longer than Dwight or Amare but that is over-rated. THe bottom line is that TD always had an innate, instinctive knowledge of how to WIN in the game of basketball. He knows when he has to distribute, when he has to be aggressive, when he has to dominate. His understanding of the game is really quite amazing. You can see when Spurs start having problems in critical situations, that is when he takes over and increases his level of play. It's almost like he understands exactly what is happening. Dwight is still very raw and green. He doesn;t really know how to react to change in strategy or defense and tends to be one-dimensional. HOward/Amare looks great, makes lot of highlight reel plays but when it comes down to the critical situations, TD is heads & shoulders above them, even now. If you doubt that, just replay the 7th game of 2005 finals or last year's series against Suns in the playoffs and tell me if Amare/Howard would have outplayed Duncan.
Maybe it doesn't matter, but somehow I cannot remember if Timmy was slamed like this EVER...
Anyway, Dwight will become or he already is inside monster full of strenght, but he still cannot be compared with Timmy. Let him WIN first, then talk...
To be a truly great bigman in the NBA, a player has to be able to easily handle a double team. Duncan has an assist:TO ratio of above one. Howards is below 0.5. Until he can learn to make effective "bigman" passes, Dwight will be a level below TD.
Think about it, TD has been the centrepiece of a championship contender for his entire career. All the other teams have focussed on stopping him, and he still puts up the numbers he does and gets the w's night in and night out. There are plenty of other bigs like Yao, Amare and Dwight who can put up big numbers in the regular season (seriously, no one really cares about the regular season when determining greatness), but haven't had the success when it counts most. All three of the above have terrible assist:TO ratios. They don't make their teammates better to the degree that Duncan does.
If you want further proof, look at the averages of the great C's like Shaq and Hakeem. They all had assist:TO ratios similar to TD's.
If it were socially and humanely acceptable to entomb Duncan at the SBC Center, he would deserve it.
Im not sure if any one has ever had more moves than Hakeem down low... not even Tim.
Tim did have much better handles then Hakeem and was a better passer... both on the outlet and out of the post.
He... IS a monster. Better than Amare.
As of today and right now, I'd take Dwight Howard, no question. Not a single one.
Dwight's declining tbh
This was a good bump.
ROFLMAO ARE YOU ING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!
but outside of some of the dumbest stuff hindsight has ever produced, there were some valiant attempts at analysis in this thread. wish i could have been around for the good ole days.
Duncan228 with the goods tbh.
verbally blowing Timmy isn't a good post
5 1/2 years later and I'd still take Duncan every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.
Timmy is a Winner...Big Time!
Dwight is a Loser...Big Time!
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