Game Thoughts: Spurs vs. Jazz - Dec. 7

[whottt]

Not long ago, whottt was on the Barry and Elson bandwagon. I guess he dumped Elson. Don't hear much complaining about how timvp is doing Elson wrong these days.

I still like Elson...



PS...I want to give a to ShoogarBear for bringing up Beno...yeap...Duncan makes everyone better. For sure...



Anyway...I enjoyed the Kori/Timvp argument...reminds me of all those Barry VS Beno VS Devin arguments

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I still think he's useful, just for his physique, and atheliticism.

He's a better body than our past centers. If only he could concentrate better or elevate his presence where he's not a liability. Horry yelled at him I noticed

I still think Nazr's stone hands are way worse than Elson. Also Elson knows how to finish better than Nazr.

Does he? I mean Nazr wasn't much of a stud in my eyes, though I am grateful for his contributions in 2005, but it feels like Elson only finishes well around the basket if he's got a wide open dunk.

It's just that Elson's brain farts on defense are killing me.

Either way, at 17-3 it's hard to really nitpick, but the more I'm seeing of Elson, the less I'm thinking he'll be in a Spurs uniform next year.

[timvp]

I hate Tim Duncan. He makes players worse. Did you see how good Barry's stats were before Duncan ruined his game?

[slayermin]

Damn, I wish I was in SA this weekend.

[whottt]

PS...it's hilarious that Bonner hitting a meaningul shot in the fourth quarter for the first time 2 years is such a big deal to you, forget about the fact that there were like 25 minutes left in the fourth when he hiit it...desperate times call for desperate measures I suppose...

[whottt]

I hate players who don't get minutes, they suck

[SRJ]

The Venus de Milo has better hands than Nazr. A convicted thief in Saudi Arabia has better hands than Nazr.

Elson plays like Nazr in a lot of ways, but at least he can catch.

[timvp]

I still like Elson...

The man of many words comes up with four in defense of Elson?

Sound the alarms in Holland ... the end may be near.

[T Park]

PS...it's hilarious that Bonner hitting a meaningul shot in the fourth quarter for the first time 2 years is such a big deal to you, forget about the fact that there were like 25 minutes left in the fourth when he hiit it...desperate times call for desperate measures I suppose

Nah there was 4 minutes left and it was their first lead of the game.


Heaven forbid it be thought of as a big shot.

I guess had it been made against the Suns it would've counted for more.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

How does that make him better than Elson?

the way Mohammed finished his last season in SA.

I'd say Elson is close to him.

dude, Nazr got the shaft from Pop in his final SA days. He took a 3 at the shot clock buzzer against the Kings and that was the last we ever got to hear from him.


Yeah, Pop opted for small ball against the Mavs, nullifying Nazr and Rasho, but I'd take Nazr over Elson, even though I'm not exactly smitten with either of them.

But who knows where Elson will be in March, I was really annoyed with Oberto last season (prior to the playoffs) but he's come around quite nicely.

I just don't know if Elson has the basketball smarts to make it on this team.

[T Park]

Elson plays like Nazr in a lot of ways, but at least he can catch.

Yeah they both are pretty stupid, but at least Elson will catch.

[whottt]

The man of many words comes up with four in defense of Elson?

Sound the alarms in Holland ... the end may be near.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82988

[T Park]

dude, Nazr got the shaft from Pop in his final SA days

I knew the Pop basher in you couldn't be held back.

[Kori Ellis]

Elson and Nazr are pretty much the same to me, though Elson is a cheetah and Nazr is a turtle. Nazr was freakin slower than Rasho.

But the end result is the same - 5/5 guys, who play very little D, but can sometimes out-tall some people.

[T Park]

Elson and Nazr are pretty much the same to me, though Elson is a cheetah and Nazr is a turtle. Nazr was freakin slower than Rasho.

But the end result is the same - 5/5 guys, who play very little D, but can sometimes out-tall some people

and makes wayyyyy less money

that points the scales twords Elson.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I knew the Pop basher in you couldn't be held back.

touche'


though like I said in the other thread, after the Spurs winning it all last year, I truly realized anything can happen. So I've kept most of my ing to a minimum.

[whottt]

I like Elson a lot better than Nazr....Nazr could dunk and rebound...inconsistently.


Elson can do a lot more stuff than Nazr inconsistently.

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[SRJ]

Anyone have the story on why Pop was so pissed about that three by Nazr?

[T Park]

Hes a better shot blocker than Nazr.

he contests alot more shots as well.

[SRJ]

Nazr wasn't as long as Elson either.

[T Park]

Anyone have the story on why Pop was so pissed about that three by Nazr?

Because the team was up 30, and it was a bush league shot.

That isn't what brought him down.

His performance in games 2 through 6 is what sunk him.

[Kori Ellis]

and makes wayyyyy less money

that points the scales twords Elson.

Not really that much less money on an annual basis - 3M to 5.5M or whatever.

Elson's speed makes him useful in some situations, which is what makes him better than Nazr to me. But they are both low BB IQ players, and both never caught on to much about Spurs defense. Elson still has some time though. I see flashes of the light bulb coming on, sometimes.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Anyone have the story on why Pop was so pissed about that three by Nazr?

Pop thought Nazr was running up the scoreboard against the Kings in a blowout win, but in reality the shot clock was winding so Nazr had no choice.


Pop went a bit overboard in benching Nazr, but whatever.

[timvp]

Hes a better shot blocker than Nazr.

Negative.

Nazr is a better scorer, rebounder and shot blocker per minute than Elson and always has been. If Elson ever played as well as Nazr did in the 2005 playoff run, I'd be ecstatic.

That said, with Oberto playing at his current level, it doesn't really matter what Elson does. As long as he keeps having his one good game every other week, that's probably good enough out of a backup center.

[E20]

Anyone have the story on why Pop was so pissed about that three by Nazr?

It was Game 2 against Sac and Nazr had to shoot it to avoid a 24 second violation and that made Pop furious because it was basically kicking somebody when they were down. It gave the Kings a 'reason' to play harder in Game 3, according to Pop.

The only way Nazr could have been spared the wrath of Pop if he bricked the three.