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    For Kidd? You seriously think Devin Harris is that good, don't you?
    Trades aren't about exchanging equal talent. New Jersey is going nowhere, Kidd makes a lot of money and wants a better situation, Dallas fulfills that. New Jersey gets rid of the $$$$$ they are obligated to pay him, and they get a young PG in return. Harris is probably middle of the pack when it comes to PGs in this league, but he's only 25. It's too soon to say he's peaked.

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    i loves me a good sandwich analogy.

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    i loves me a good sandwich analogy.
    Is it wrong? Is there a better forward tandem that Dirk and Howard? It's late and I'm tired, so maybe there is....but honestly look at our bigs and guards. Almost to a man they are one-dimensional players, be it offense (Jet) or defense (Damp, Diop,), or they bring nothing at all (Hassell, George, Stack).

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    And really, since they're so busy "experimenting," why don't they try this ?

    C: Dampier against 1/2-court teams, Diop against up-tempo teams
    PF: Dirk
    SF: Bass
    SG: Howard
    PG: Harris

    6th man: Jet
    Damp/Diop for 7th man, and then one of our spares (George, Stack, Hassell, Jones) to round out our rotation.

    Bass has the quickness to guard swingmen out on the perimeter, he can set up on the low blocks on offense and let Dirk roam the perimeter. Dirk should always be on the floor with a center, it's been made abundantly clear how bad our defense is when he plays the five and Bass plays the four.

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    Is it wrong? Is there a better forward tandem that Dirk and Howard? It's late and I'm tired, so maybe there is....but honestly look at our bigs and guards. Almost to a man they are one-dimensional players, be it offense (Jet) or defense (Damp, Diop,), or they bring nothing at all (Hassell, George, Stack).
    KG and Pierce is a better tandem.

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    KG and Pierce is a better tandem.
    Yeah, and if the Suns ever got a center, Amare and Marion would be too. As I said, it's late...

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    i was just saying i liked your sandwich analogy.

    jesus christ mav fan is edgy.

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    ahhh... im assuming he meant as in the " " was the lineup... i thought he was talking to me.

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    indeed refers to the lineup I proposed. I just plowed through all four seasons of the Wire in anticipation of the new season. I'm sure it's having some effect on my vocabulary.

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    i was just saying i liked your sandwich analogy.

    jesus christ mav fan is edgy.
    Hmm, Isiah Thomas, Dale Ellis, Sam Perkins, Roy Tarpley, 11 wins, Quinn Buckner, Jason Kidd, Shawn Bradley and Robert Pack, Dirk's knee in the 03 Conference Finals, Miami, Golden State....ah, the tragic majesty that is the Dallas Mavericks. Murphy's Law is always in effect with this team.

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    Dallas's biggest problem is their coach, not Dirk or any of their players. Their coach is so much in love with Stackhouse. Their coach is also a fickle, who changes his mind every game, makes extreme adjustments, but cannot make any precise game adjustment to save his life.

    I love Pop!

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    Avery prizes veterans over rookies and 2nd-year players, Brandon Bass the exception. Stackhouse hasn't contributed AT ALL this year. This team has made some dumb ing moves the last two years to screw this thing up. Not that Marquis Daniels is the Second Coming by any means, but would you rather have him at $5 million a year or Stack at $8 million a year? Why was he in Avery's doghouse? Because he liked to toke it up? I can't deny I've ever seen him when he didn't look blitzed, but he's a decent defender and he can make a shot now and then. Would our two-guard position be in crisis if we still had Marquis? I can't remember if we traded him for Cro or Anthony Johnson and I don't feel like googling it, but that was a huge mistake.

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    AJ needs to be really balding, and a cratered face to be like Pop.

    Try hard as he may, I think he's fast losing this team, which will be a waste. I'd prefer Dallas over Phoenix any day of the week to compete against the Spurs.

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    AJ needs to be really balding, and a cratered face to be like Pop. Try hard as he may, I think he's fast losing this team, which will be a waste.
    Well, as I see it, Dirk is 29, Josh is 26. They have a window of three years left to get it done. Everyone else on this roster is expendable. I like Bass and his upside and future, but outside of Terry and Harris, he's the only guy other teams would want. Although Terry and Harris might be a bit more difficult because of their contracts.

    Diop will get a ridiculous offer from somebody this summer, and Dallas won't match because they're already paying Dampier and Stack $18 million combined per year for the next three years. So he's gone. Really, if I'm the Mavs brass, you've got to realize that this team isn't going to win a le, so rather than completely 'blow it up,' identify your untouchables as Dirk and Howard and work from there.

    Avery is going to be a good coach in this league, but he's out of his depth coaching a contender expected to win. He's a great motivator, and he begin his tenure by making his guys play defense, but he doesn't make in-game adjustments very well and he can't settle on a rotation. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. This team with Avery as its coach and the supporting cast surrounding Dirk and Josh will probably make the playoffs, but I have serious doubts about their ability to get out of the first round. It's time to make a move while the window is still open for Dirk and Josh. It's unfair to them and us fans to continue to roll with the current framework.

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    Avery is going to be a good coach in this league, but he's out of his depth coaching a contender expected to win. He's a great motivator, and he begin his tenure by making his guys play defense, but he doesn't make in-game adjustments very well and he can't settle on a rotation. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. This team with Avery as its coach and the supporting cast surrounding Dirk and Josh will probably make the playoffs, but I have serious doubts about their ability to get out of the first round. It's time to make a move while the window is still open for Dirk and Josh. It's unfair to them and us fans to continue to roll with the current framework.
    A fair, nice take on the subject. If you can pull Kidd, (maybe it will take Harris + anyone except Dirk and Howard), then maybe you can mortgage your future for the present a la Miami.

    Also, has anybody ever noticed that you're picking some jinxes on your team? Juwan Howard has never been lucky, and so is Eddie Jones. Godd luck though, I don't think our teams will be seeing each other this year or next year or the one after that.

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    A fair, nice take on the subject. If you can pull Kidd, (maybe it will take Harris + anyone except Dirk and Howard), then maybe you can mortgage your future for the present a la Miami.
    New Jersey would almost certainly ask for Howard, and that would completely defeat the purpose. And yes, Miami is awful now, but so what? They have a le. I would gladly trade 5-6 years of sucking and salary cap for a le. A trio of Dirk, Josh and Kidd would be nice and give us a fighting shot.

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    New Jersey would almost certainly ask for Howard, and that would completely defeat the purpose. And yes, Miami is awful now, but so what? They have a le. I would gladly trade 5-6 years of sucking and salary cap for a le. A trio of Dirk, Josh and Kidd would be nice and give us a fighting shot.
    as a fan, you will do that, but as a businessman, will your Cuban do that?

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    Dirk is probably unstoppable one-on-one, but Nellie has proven that a double team, and a little cheating on defense when Dirk has the ball, equals castrated Dallas offense. When Dirk doesn't have the ball, a little zone makes your team a jump shooting pussy team. More than 20 games after that golden dwarves debacle and AJ hasn't made any adjustments yet on Nellie's idea?

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    as a fan, you will do that, but as a businessman, will your Cuban do taht?
    I think Cuban's problem is his personal loyalty to people that do right by him. Look at the press conference when Dirk got the MVP. Cuban broke down talking about him -- how Dirk has to be locked out of the gym, since he's a first to arrive, last to leave type, how he doesn't shy away from taking responsibility when things go wrong, makes sure to give credit to his teammates and coaches when they do well. Cuban will never trade Dirk. I don't know if Dirk for Kobe was ever on the table, but if it was, it makes sense from a basketball perspective to do that deal. Dirk is great, but Kobe is close to immortal.

    And Avery personally has Cuban's ear. It's a shame for us, really. I think Avery is going to be a very good coach in this league. You can't tell me that Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich, Larry Brown, Pat Riley and Don Nelson were always this good. They took their lumps and learned what works and what doesn't. Avery is going to go through that process, but not in a timely enough manner for our current le window. I don't think he's a bad coach at all, but I don't think he's right for this team right now. He'd be better on a team like Atlanta that has good young players but maybe don't have great winning habits.

    I think a team can absolutely win a le with Dirk as its best player, it damn near happened two years ago. But this team with Dirk as its best player isn't going to win anything more than one playoff series at best.

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    Dirk is probably unstoppable one-on-one, but Nellie has proven that a double team, and a little cheating on defense when Dirk has the ball, equals castrated Dallas offense. When Dirk doesn't have the ball, a little zone makes your team a jump shooting pussy team. More than 20 games after that golden dwarves debacle and AJ hasn't made any adjustments yet on Nellie's idea?
    What would really help is a low-post scoring threat or a PG that can create easy shot opportunities for others. Bass and Dirk together doesn't work out well defensively, and this team relies too much on iso play. I think part of the early-season experimenting is focusing on building up Josh as a dual threat -- it would help if we had another guy teams had to double in order to make life easier for Dirk. I really think that's our only hope for a deep playoff run this year, if Josh can become the kind of guy that teams have to double as well. Then it becomes a matter of picking your poison.

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    And Avery personally has Cuban's ear. It's a shame for us, really. I think Avery is going to be a very good coach in this league. You can't tell me that Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich, Larry Brown, Pat Riley and Don Nelson were always this good. They took their lumps and learned what works and what doesn't. Avery is going to go through that process, but not in a timely enough manner for our current le window. I don't think he's a bad coach at all, but I don't think he's right for this team right now. He'd be better on a team like Atlanta that has good young players but maybe don't have great winning habits.
    So when do you guys plan to start chanting "Fire AJ!"? Can you do it when we visit your arena?

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    So when do you guys plan to start chanting "Fire AJ!"? Can you do it when we visit your arena?
    It's already happening:

    http://dallasbasketballdotcom.yuku.c...-NBA-Talk.html

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    i'm too lazy to check out that thread... look at the brighter side dude, at least you're not a knicks fan...

    trade AJ for Isaiah and put them in a retro jersey and make them play, that'll be one of a TV rating!

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    i'm too lazy to check out that thread... look at the brighter side dude, at least you're not a knicks fan...

    trade AJ for Isaiah and put them in a retro jersey and make them play, that'll be one of a TV rating!
    Yeah, but it's hard. This team came soooo close, and has built up expectations that it doesn't seem likely to fulfill. I enjoy following and rooting for this team much less than when Nash, Finley and Dirk first emerged. Back then, the Lakers and the Spurs were the class of the conference and we had no shot at beating either, plus we were good again for the first time since the Aguirre/Blackman days. It was simply satisfying enough to root for a winner.

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    Yeah, but it's hard. This team came soooo close, and has built up expectations that it doesn't seem likely to fulfill. I enjoy following and rooting for this team much less than when Nash, Finley and Dirk first emerged. Back then, the Lakers and the Spurs were the class of the conference and we had no shot at beating either, plus we were good again for the first time since the Aguirre/Blackman days. It was simply satisfying enough to root for a winner.
    that's ok, i'm hoping your team will get their bearing, and we'll be able to kick your butts until you cry back to your mamas when (and if) we meet in the conference finals!

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