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Centers have nothing to do with this. We are discussing two players who spend most of their time on the perimeter.
Besides, the original point was that LeBron is already the equal of Kobe in terms of overall skill.
That is a much better way to phrase it.
You cannot be "good" at something if you do it poorly. You cannot be amazing at something if you end up being average every year at it.
Centers have nothing to do with this. We are discussing two players who spend most of their time on the perimeter.
Besides, the original point was that LeBron is already the equal of Kobe in terms of overall skill.
any player who shoves his coach.
like i said before a good shooter knows how to shoot not when to shoot or where to shoot the ball from.
here's an analogy:
A takes test B
C takes test D
test D has the same types of problems that test B has but includes more and harder problems.
A gets 90% of the problems right
C gets 50% of the problems right
C got every single problem right that A got right, but he got a lower % due to the harder problems.
Who is smarter?
That analogy only works if you tell the smarter student beforehand that one test is difficult and the other is not, and that the relative difficulty of tests do NOT matter, only attaining the highest score possible is the goal. Then, the smarter student STILL opts to take the harder test and does poorly on it, even though he was given the option of the easier one.
Just a quick question: How many good shooters struggle at the FT line?
And by the arguments in here, Tony Parker and Shawn Marion are better shooters than LeBron or Kobe.
I haven't chimed in yet.....Lebron is awesome...but a better overall player no.....through up stats all you want because they don't always paint the whole picture.
i'm done with this if u want to keep saying that decision making of when and where to take the shot has to do with shooting ability ur an idiot.
How many 22 year olds score 29 points per game? In NBA HISTORY, how often has that happened? James has a ton of career time left to develop his FT stroke.
Yes yes, I agree! Let's talk about intangibles like teamwork and leadership and willingness to contribute to team chemistry! Let's talk about players who put the team above themselves, and then we can discuss players who demand trades and disrupt entire franchises with squabbling.
Kobe and Lebron are both fantastically-gifted basketball players. They have different body-types and different skill-sets. Kobe's the better outside shooter, Lebron's the better rebounder, Lebron is a somewhat better passer, Kobe is a better defender, Lebron's a better team-mate, Kobe's a better clutch shooter, blah blah blah.
Can we get back to talking about Tim Duncan and 4 Championships and the winningest team in any sport in the past ten years?
What does that have to do with his shooting now? His stroke on the outside J is getting better, but it's far from good/consistent.
I never said shooting ABILITY. This isn't a discussion in talent. This is a discussion in the application of skills to hardwood. If you take a huge number of idiotic shots, you are not a GOOD shooter. You have the ABILITY to be a good shooter, but Kobe s that up by being an uncontrollable shot-hog.
This all stemmed from the fact that I stated LeBron merits consideration as a player who is the equal of Kobe. A couple of people felt the need to sidetrack because they don't want to discuss the larger picture and instead focus on the miniscule points of semantics.
And yet he's shooting 48% on the season. It's not like 99% of his points come from layups.
Better yet, how many 20-21 year olds score 31 points per game. He wasn't even of legal drinking age, and averaged over 31 PPG. He has PLENTY of time to improve. He is absolutely amazing.
Let me put it another way.
If you had a guy who could knock down set shots frequently and consistently, say, at a rate of 54%, but whenever you put him into a game situation he tried to do too much and take idiotic shots while falling down, running into other players, such that his FG% for the season was 18%, would you call him a GOOD shooter? Or a player who has the POTENTIAL to shoot well and just doesn't? Would you seriously justify someone who hits 1/5 shots in a game a GOOD shooter?
Because last I checked, the NBA doesn't reward any points on potential.
If anything, NEITHER Kobe or LeBron should be considered excellent shooters. LeBron has limited range and Kobe takes stupid shots.
Gee, I wonder why his shooting % is so high with an inconsistent J:
BTW, that's 35% outside of the rim area. What a great shooter.
there is a basic difference in ur way of thinking and mine: a good shooter, to me, doesn't have to take high percentage shots. a smart shooter does.
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Wow, you mean he shoots better close to the rim than from far away? Astonishing!Gee, I wonder why his shooting % is so high with an inconsistent J:
BTW, that's 35% outside of the rim area. What a great shooter.
And yet... he's shooting 31.7% from 3 point range this year.
So what about the great, unstoppable, wonderful shooter that Kobe is! He's hit on 32.5% of his 3s this year! My god, the .7% difference is astonishing!
which means that LeBron hits 31.7% of his smart 3 point shots, and Kobe shoots even better despite taking alot of ridiculous, off balance 3's. Which means Kobe is a better shooter than LeBron. LeBron shooting "smart" still isn't as accurate a shooter as Kobe shooting "stupid".Wow, you mean he shoots better close to the rim than from far away? Astonishing!
And yet... he's shooting 31.7% from 3 point range this year.
So what about the great, unstoppable, wonderful shooter that Kobe is! He's hit on 32.5% of his 3s this year! My god, the .7% difference is astonishing!
You guys can all drown in myopic discussions regarding shooting stats and %'s....who cares.
see 3 peat when Kobe deferred to his teammates.....sacrificed his game for the better of the team. If didn't watch these games then you can't comment.Yes yes, I agree! Let's talk about intangibles like teamwork and leadership and willingness to contribute to team chemistry! Let's talk about players who put the team above themselves, and then we can discuss players who demand trades and disrupt entire franchises with squabbling.
Remember Lebron is still young...he'll be asking for a trade soon enough.....
Like I said before, I'll take LeBron any day over Kobe....but there's really no way to deny that Kobe is a better shooter. There's a reason Kobe can't always get the best shot off....part of it is definitely that he's a selfish ballhog, and part of it is that the other team is going to press him and not let him get a good shot off. If Kobe really wasn't a great shooter, they'd back off and let him shoot the way they let LeBron shoot. It's the fact that he's so deadly with his shot that teams play him so tough defensively on the perimeter.
Now it's Kobe's fault he decides to take those stupid, highly contested shots instead of passing out. But it doesn't make him a worse shooter than LeBron.
according to cry:
parker > kobe at shooting
Wow, see that's funny. I thought you said we would agree to disagree.
Strange how you just keep going.
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