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  1. #51
    Two straight years of absolutely ty NC games, and three of the last 4. If not for Vince Young and the Texas Longhorns there really wouldn't even be any motivation to watch these ty games anymore. Vince gave us all hope and Ohio State is taking it away.

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    tOSU had no business being in this game. Thank the media pukes for this one.

    Big 10 = most overrated conference in America.
    You are right, we lost a Heisman winner QB our starting running back and top 2 recievers, as well as 3 defensive linemen. 2007 was a rebuilding year, but with that landscape of college football it turned into more. 2008 was the year tOSU fans looked forward to, but now it will be diminished because nobody will give tOSU credibility after this loss. They should be ranked top 3 next year, and will have to beat USC in week 2 to get another shot at the le.


    Right now Ohio State is pre-Vince Young Texas: all the talent in the world, but can't win a big game

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    Well, that was pathetic but about what I expected. Big 10 is highly, undeniably, horribly overrated. They play antique football in a league of innovation and it shows every time they play outside their conference.

    With that said, OSU has been the class of the conference. 3 national le games with 1 championship. Argue whether they should have been there or not and I would probably agree with you.

    As it is, found this interesting...

    ACC Commissioner John Swofford and SEC Commissioner Mike Slive said Monday morning at an annual meeting of the Football Writers Association of America that they believe a "plus-one" format would have to be seeded.

    The other possibility of the "plus-one" was considered to be playing an extra game after the BCS le game.

    Each commissioner also stated that the SEC, ACC, Big East and Big 12 are open to discussing the "plus-one" format. The Big Ten and Pac-10 have been opposed to it.

    Swofford, who is the incoming BCS chair, said the nature of the 2007 season and its weekly upheaval has motivated his presidents and athletic directors to reconsider a plus-one model.

    "A lot of people look at it and say ... maybe it would be better if more than two teams had the opportunity to play for the national championship," Swofford said.

    "There's a comfort level with what we're doing today," Swofford added. "In our conference, there's much more open-mindedness about the plus-one than there was two years ago. There's an interest in it ... and a willingness to discuss it in full."

    Slive, the outgoing BCS chair, said one focal point of discussion will be discerning whether the 2007 season and its parity is an anomaly or "the beginning of something bigger."

    "It's a little bit like turning a big battleship," Swofford said.

    Commissioners from all 11 major college football conferences will meet in Miami in April and the plus-one will be a topic.

    "I think we would be remiss if we didn't have that discussion in full and play it out and see what the ramifications of it are in great detail," Swofford said. "To see if there are unintended consequences there. What are the pluses, what are the minuses? Really drill into it so we can have the right kind of information.

    "Evaluate it in a thorough way and ultimately make a decision. You don't know unless you have that discussion."

    Swofford acknowledged a meeting of No. 1 vs. No. 4 and No. 2 vs. No. 3 in a Final Four of football could still leave out a team with a participation argument.

    Slive acknowledged "logistics" and multiple television agreements will take efforts to work through for the possible format to become a reality.

    The BCS is in the second of a four-year, $320 million contract with Fox that runs through the 2009 season and 2010 bowls. The BCS will begin negotiating with Fox on another deal in the fall. Fox has exclusive negotiating rights with the BCS.

    No changes are expected before the 2010 season.

    Joe Schad covers college football for ESPN. Ivan Maisel is a senior writer for ESPN.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3185000

    Hopefully, it passes and its at least a start to a playoff. We wouldnt have these ridiculous le games even with only a 4 team playoff. The Kansas/Georgia/WV fans would have no complaints I am sure.

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    ROFL

    There is a poll associated with that article asking "Would you be in favor of a plus-one playoff format for college football?"

    90.9% said "Yes"

    I'd like to know who let grandpa on the computer long enough to vote "No".

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    Oh well, I was wrong.....congratulations to LSU.

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    Well, that was pathetic but about what I expected. Big 10 is highly, undeniably, horribly overrated.
    I think in order to to 'overrated' you have to have people claiming your are at the top, or the best; I'm a OSU fan, and I don't even consider the Big Ten to be that good. I mean Ohio State plays like 4 meaningful games a year. It's not their fault the rest of the Big 10 sucks ass. Michigan always underachieves, Penn State has a coach that they don't want anymore and are just waiting for him to die or retire then they will be back to a decent football school, Wisconsin is alright- not great, but not bad, Illinios is making strides, but the rest of the conference sucks. Ohio State can't do anything about Indiana, Northwestern, Michigan State, Iowa, or whoever else. They can just play their schedule. I just don't think calling the Big 10 overrated is the correct term, it is weak.

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    They should be ranked top 3 next year, and will have to beat USC in week 2 to get another shot at the le.
    SC is going to destroy ohio state later this year.

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    I just don't think calling the Big 10 overrated is the correct term, it is weak.
    I think of the WAC or CUSA as weak. The B10/1 ain't bad, they just aren't as good as the B12/SEC/P10. They are better or at the VERY least par with BE/ACC.

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    They should have a bowl in Ann Arbor, Columbus, or Camp Randall Stadium.
    True.

    A Pac-10 team can't beat a Big 10 team in Ann Arbor.

    Sincerly,
    Oregon.


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    True.

    A Pac-10 team can't beat a Big 10 team in Ann Arbor.

    Sincerly,
    Oregon.

    but that game was really close...oh, wait.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=272510130

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    SC is going to destroy ohio state later this year.
    unless Ohio State pulls a Stanford.

    I think of the WAC or CUSA as weak. The B10/1 ain't bad, they just aren't as good as the B12/SEC/P10. They are better or at the VERY least par with BE/ACC.
    the Big Ten is on par with the Big 12 in most years

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    unless Ohio State pulls a Stanford.
    SC has a tendency not to show up in big games....oh wait, thats never happened with Carroll as coach.

    SC 38
    osu 14

    ...ironically, stanford would have a better chance to win that game than osu.

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    SC has a tendency not to show up in big games....oh wait, thats never happened with Carroll as coach.

    SC 38
    osu 14

    ...ironically, stanford would have a better chance to win that game than osu.
    gotta love a Spurs/USC fan...let me guess go Patroits and Red Sox/Yankees too right?

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    I think of the WAC or CUSA as weak. The B10/1 ain't bad, they just aren't as good as the B12/SEC/P10. They are better or at the VERY least par with BE/ACC.
    and the Pac-10/Big 12 aren't in the same class with the SEC right now, top to bottom, no matter how much you want it.

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    I think of the WAC or CUSA as weak. The B10/1 ain't bad, they just aren't as good as the B12/SEC/P10. They are better or at the VERY least par with BE/ACC.
    The problem with the Big East is they only have eight teams, compared to the other major conferences. Therefore, a team having a bad year in the conference gets a lot more exposure. Additionally, a good team like WVU tends to be glossed over due to the perceived weakness of the entire conference. Had Petrino not bailed on Louisville, I'm sure Brohm and Co. would have been a lot better, thereby boosting the conference overall. USF had early success (wins over WVU and Auburn), but faltered in the second half of the season. Cincy was good, Rutgers was decent, and UConn had a good season (albeit, even I think they got lucky). So, all-in-all the Big East did very good, but due to having 3-4 less teams than the other big conferences, they fall behind in the exposure department.

    What I think the BE needs is another 1-3 teams to make it stand out more. Something like moving Penn St. over from the Big 10 and 1-2 other decent programs - sure-fire winners would be nice, but even some decent teams would help. No VTech or Miami, though.

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    BTW, here's an interesting guage ... Take the combined records of the top 50% of the teams in each of the major conferences, and compare them ... This is what you'll find:

    1. Big-12 (82%)
    2. BE (75%)
    3. SEC (74%)
    4. ACC (70%)
    5. Pac-10 (69%)
    6. Big-10 (68%)*

    (*) Big-10 has 11 teams, so only used top-5 in conference.

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    and the Pac-10/Big 12 aren't in the same class with the SEC right now, top to bottom, no matter how much you want it.
    There is no division in football harder than the B12 South.

    the Big Ten is on par with the Big 12 in most years
    I just don't think calling the Big 10 overrated is the correct term, it is weak.
    So according to your earlier statement, the B12 is weak, as well?

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    With the way the Big Ten has been destroyed in the media the last couple years, I don't think it's appropriate to call them overrated. They're just not good anymore. It's a weak BCS conference. Even most reasonable Big Ten fans will agree. Only Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State get really high national talent year in and year out. And, only Ohio State has been able to be a real contender nationally since the BCS system has been in place.

    Michigan definitely has under-achieved since they won the split le in 1997-98. And, a lot of that has to do with Lloyd Carr's stubbornness to follow in the style and approach of Bo to worry only about the Big Ten schedule, not the out of conference games at the beginning of the year or the bowl games. They never mattered as much as the Big Ten and Ohio State. And, along with that, Michigan never changed with the times until Lloyd's very last game against Florida. Same run it up the gut offensive play calls. Same prevent type defenses. Whoever used the word "antique" was right on the money. Michigan's football program has never modernized with the times. The rest of college football has been using i-phones for years and Lloyd Carr and Michigan still were using Zach Morris' big ass 5 pound portable phone from Saved by the Bell.

    The Big Ten has definitely become one of the weaker BCS conferences. As a Michigan fan, I hope Michigan can catch up with the rest of college football in the next few years. Might take some time for it to equate to ultimate success, but hopefully that will help not only Michigan but the Big Ten improve their standing among the BCS conferences.

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    As a Michigan fan, I hope Michigan can catch up with the rest of college football in the next few years. Might take some time for it to equate to ultimate success, but hopefully that will help not only Michigan but the Big Ten improve their standing among the BCS conferences.
    Just hope Fraud-riguez gets along with the administration there or he'll start whining and leave your team hanging. Also, keep in mind that he's a damn good recruiter, but a suspect coach. He relies too much on the athleticism of his personnel to win a game. Just see the USF and Pitt games this year. White goes out and he puts in the backup QB but does no other adjustment. Result? They lose.

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    True.

    A Pac-10 team can't beat a Big 10 team in Ann Arbor.

    Sincerly,
    Oregon.

    I can't complain. Michigan plays like against Pac-10 teams. Although they kick the out of the SEC.

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    Just hope Fraud-riguez gets along with the administration there or he'll start whining and leave your team hanging. Also, keep in mind that he's a damn good recruiter, but a suspect coach. He relies too much on the athleticism of his personnel to win a game. Just see the USF and Pitt games this year. White goes out and he puts in the backup QB but does no other adjustment. Result? They lose.

    At Michigan, if Rodriguez asks for something, he will get it. He will get top notch talent every year.

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    There is no division in football harder than the B12 South.


    Yes there is, it's called the SEC east or SEC West depending the year. This year the east was better. 3 teams from the east have a legitamate chance at the national le next year. Two of those teams will be in the top 5 preseason with Tenn. probably being in the top 10. I would also bet that the SEC east puts more players in the NFL than the B12 south, even our worst team, Vandy, put a 1st round QB in the NFL, when has Baylor done that?

    Here's the facts: the SEC always have great recruiting classes, they put the most players in the NFL, year in and out, are now 4-0 in BCS championships and have 24 National football champions. UGA, Tenn, UF, Alabama, Ole Miss, LSU and Kentucky have all won championships in football.

    The Big 12 has 18 National championships in football. OU, Neb and UT have 16 of those. Like I said before you've got 2 great teams right now with Neb falling on hard times and the numbers back that up.
    Last edited by romad_20; 01-08-2008 at 05:11 PM.

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    Just hope Fraud-riguez gets along with the administration there or he'll start whining and leave your team hanging. Also, keep in mind that he's a damn good recruiter, but a suspect coach. He relies too much on the athleticism of his personnel to win a game. Just see the USF and Pitt games this year. White goes out and he puts in the backup QB but does no other adjustment. Result? They lose.

    You have so much venom for the guy. Let it go already. He's not coming back.

    And, thanks for the insight about losing when West Virginia lost Pat White against Pitt. USC lost to Standford without Jon David Booty. Look at Oregon after Denis Dixon was lost for the season. Let's be real, once you lose your star starting quarterback, even if you make adjustments, it's still pretty tough to win even against teams you should beat.

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    Yes there is, it's called the SEC east or SEC West depending the year.
    Every year. Not one or the other; pick. My statement was an absolute. There is no division in football tougher than the B12 South.

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    Every year. Not one or the other; pick. My statement was an absolute. There is no division in football tougher than the B12 South.
    Ok. The SEC east and West are tougher than the Big 12 South EVERY YEAR, ABSOLUTELY. Don't get worked up cause a UGA team that hadn't even come together yet pasted your team that was suppose to be in the mix for the B12 south this year.

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