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I'm beginning to think even spurfans didn't watch that series.
"Mavs would trade for parker in heart beat. as they would for Roy"
I think you are speculating here......
I'm beginning to think even spurfans didn't watch that series.
I forgot that guard name...he got traded the year after. He is still playing I believe but hurt right now. I definitely remember TP getting yanked at some point in the playoff run.
Basically, I'm hearing the same complaints I hear from most every team the Warriors beat. Sloppy defense, in particular. I think, though, that you can pin that more on what the Warriors WERE doing than on what the Spurs weren't. It's not like you lost to a team full of scrubs. They've got some talent and that talent can make teams look foolish. But more importantly, they've got some real cold-blooded assassins...the very opposite of those candyasses outta Dallas. Perhaps they should be cuz they're so small, but the Warriors aren't scared of anybody. Not even "The Borg"(that'd be you guys for those who don't know).
Anyway, I hear it and read it time and again from opposing fans. "On nights when the Warriors play like this, no one will beat them"...and you guys very nearly did...on the tail-end of a back to back. Hope you guys get knocked off before we have to meet you in the playoffs, cuz you're still the team most sane Dub fans would love love love to avoid. Best.
You are confusing telecomguy with a Spurs fan.But you are right, Spurs fans still glorify Speedy's 1 1/2 game contribution to equate an entire playoff run
He got yanked for a quarter
ok then...what did Parker average in that playoff run? and what did he do to LEAD the Spurs to the le against NEw Jersey? All I remember is Duncan dominating every single game....and dont remember Parker doing anything other than walking the ball up and throwing into Duncan in the post.You are confusing telecomguy with a Spurs fan.
please correct me if i am wrong.
Obviously I didn't confirm with Cuban before I posted but it's a no-brainer.
who was the spurs PG during those 5 years??
was it kidd? was it williams? was it nash? No. it was tony. and you know who lost all those series? exactly- kidd, nash and all your other great pgs. so why do we need them when we can beat them with a 24 year old french kid (who just happens to have the best FG% of them all). are there other pgs in the league who are better than parker? sure. that doesnt mean he isnt a damn good one in his own right. if you want to have the best player at every position, stick to the playstation.
I didn't say he led the Spurs against NJ. But he was the starting point guard, 21 years old or so, and averaged 14-15 ppg.
He is very good....and getting better. He is just not top 5 yet. That is all I said. But lets get real. Duncan is the main man, and Gino ain't too shabby either.
OK thats a fair comment. He was very young.....
no, you like da suns fan started going on some diatribe about tony's place in the league on a spurs forum about last night's game between the warriors and spurs, as if you expected people to say "yeah i really wish we had baron -i've-never-played-an-entire-season- davis instead". thats ing bull . parker has been our point guard for over 5 years and we've done great with him, often knocking out the same "great pg" led teams you and da suns fan idolize. go take that to another forum, cause no one here is going to throw him under the bus. you got here four years too late to be pulling that .
If you go back and watch those games, its hard to imagine that team winning that le without Tony Parker and Stephen Jackson.
You can call him out all you want, but going to Dallas tied at 1-1, Parker put on a clinic for 2 games and put the Mavs in a gigantic hole. Parker's 3rd Quarter in Game 3 of the 2003 WCF (bringing the Spurs back from an 8 point halftime deficit) was better than just about any entire game that Speedy Claxton played as a Spur.
He was also fabulous in the Spurs' closeout win in LA that year with 27 points and 5 assists -- a performance that's frequently forgotten because of how good Tim was that night.
And, lest anyone forget, he averaged 21 and 5 for the first 3 games of the 2003 Finals -- to be sure he struggled the rest of the way, but his performance in Game 3 of that series was huge for the Spurs, too, and Game 3 of that series was pivotal.
I don't know what is more stupider:
1) Putting Harris above Parker. Even the blindest of Mav Fan would call you crazy.
2) Listing Roy as a point guard.
3) The phrase "more stupider".
Harris Paul ahead of Parker?
Are you ing re ed?
When you stop and think about their age, their all around game including defense, the only two guys you can put above Tony IMO are Paul and Williams.
Kidd gets knocked down because he can't score or shoot, Chauncey's a career 41% shooter and hasn't had a good playoffs since '05 and Nash is a terrible defender and up there in age.
The Spurs will be okay, the big three just have to find their rhythm and get used to each other again, and Barry has to come back and Oberto has to start playing like he was the first two months. I think an issue the team is struggling with is that they don't know what kind of game/effort they're going to get from Timmy on a night to night basis. Some days this is a backcourt led team and other nights it's the inside-out team we're all used to. Duncan isn't able to dial it up all the time like he used to so it takes the other guys like half the game just to figure out what he's got on a given night. I just wish he was more consistent defensively. That was the biggest problem last night, Tim had an awful defensive showing and Tony and Manu weren't much better.
I agree that our struggles on offense can easily be remedied. Just keep shooting is the best way to overcome it. As long as we continue to play good defense, we will give ourselves a chance to win. That being said, I did not feel that our defense was as good as it could be. We repeatedly left shooters wide open on the 3 point line and thus the Warriors shot 45% from 3. That alone was hard to overcome. Also, we allowed them to score 35 in the second quarter after only allowing 17 in the first. That dug a big whole, which we expended a lot of energy to overcome and playing in the second of a back to back, you know fatigue had to be factor. timvp made good points about the defensive matchups that really cost us, i.e., Manu on Sjax and Bowen/Udoka on Davis the whole night.
I also think that although Tony had a decent game, he really should have pushed the ball more on Baron. There were several times where Baron was barely able to get up the floor with Tony. He should have exploited that.
All in all, I was glad to see the effort from the Spurs. We continued to play and put ourselves in a position to win the game. The Big Three played a of a game. This was a good step in the right direction.
1) I don't see too many games that Harris plays because I am a Spurs fan but many games I've seen Spurs play against Mavs, Harris plays well and quite often outplays Parker. This is what I see. And Harris is forced to play much of a supporting role in the Mavs team compared to TP who now has green light to do just about anything he wants except shoot the 3's.
2) Roy is probably more of a point guard than Parker who really is a Scoring Guard in disguise. Don't you think?
3) It would be doubly more stupider for me to respond to this point
Good to know. Now hopefully Parker can actually be consistent in January. He's been wildly inconsistent as of late ... even within games.
True. The chemistry of the Big Three lately has been pretty poor. I think it's because they've had to switch up their styles so much in the last month. They went from balanced chemistry when they were all healthy, to Tony and Manu centered when Duncan went down, to Manu centered when Parker's ankle acted up and Duncan was down, to Tony centered when Manu got hurt and Duncan was just getting back, to Tim centered when Manu was out and Tony was sick, to the jumbled mess there is now. This is the first time each of the Big Three got hurt all around the same time. They'll obviously figure it out but right now they have like preseason level chemistry between the three of them.
I would rate the defensive performances by Duncan, Ginobili and Bowen much worse than that of Parker. Parker actually picked up his defensive intensity in the second half. In fact, he held Monta Ellis scoreless for the last 15 minutes of the game. During that time, Ginobili let Jackson score something like 20 points, Davis exploded on Bowen and Duncan was invisible at the rim.
There are somethings that I have some problems to agree or to understand, I am not checking the scoreboard or the plays by plays, and this happened more than a day ago, too much time for my feeble memory, but I am sure you guys will check it or remember to set me straight
1) Why everyone is so hard on JV? I do not think he sucked, in fact he was in the formation that I believe put the game back into contention, at the end of the 3rd/beginning of the 4th when the Spurs made a small run with Parker and Duncan sitting
2) I am not sure if Manu letting Jackson shoot the 3 late in the game was not by design, keep in mind that he was having a tough shooting night, like 5/15 or so and BD was very hot, so I am not sure if Manu was gambling or doubling on BD, but he did it so many times that I can not imagine Pop not calling him on that, or may be he did call him and I missed
3) What happened with Manu shooting late in the game? He barely tried, even after a sweeet crossover on Jackson, with Jackson on the floor and Manu completely free on the top of the key, he opted to pass the ball instead of shooting, and I do not recall him shooting even once in the last portion of the 4th and OT, maybe the hand was bothering him or his confidence was lacking?
Again, I did not check so I might be completely off mark, it is more my perception of some actions without corroborating them
Hi everyone, for my first post i give you the stats of 2003 finals on that link
http://www.nba.com/spurs/stats/2002/...als_stats.html
Tim Duncan 43.8 min 24.2 pts 17.0 rbs 5.3 ast
Tony Parker 35.3 min 14.0 pts 3.2 rbs 4.2 ast
David Robinson 26.8 min 10.8 pts 7.3 rbs 0.7 ast
Stephen Jackson 35.5 min 10.3 pts 4.2 rbs 2.7 ast
Manu Ginobili 28.7 min 8.7 pts 4.5 rbs 2.0 ast
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Speedy Claxton 12.5 min 6.2 pts 1.0 rbs 1.5 ast
2005 finals
http://www.nba.com/spurs/stats/2004/...als_stats.html
I hope you guys draw Dallas again in the playoffs. Would love to see the sequel to last spring's stunning playoff upset.
I thought the Spurs had the Warriors on the ropes when, with a lineup of Parker, Gino, Udoka, Fin and Timmy, the Spurs cut a 14-point Warrior's lead down to 2 in roughly 3 and a half minutes at the end of the 3rd quarter. A crazy bounce or two, a Jackson and-1 with Oberto getting charged with a retreating, hands-up belly foul put the fire out to end the quarter. Biedrins got his 5th foul with 8 1/2 minutes remaining in the 4th and Tim should have been licking his chops and ready to devour. Nope. Not one pump-fake or creative move from Timmy to draw the 6th foul. Tim settled for the path of least resistance with basic, primary moves.
........and then......meh.
The Warriors got good again. Real good. The Spurs got it to OT on sheer guts with Parker leading the charge. A lucky bounce here, no rotation to help there, and the Spurs couldn't close the deal. The minutes-laden Jack and Davis reached down and slit the Spurs throats.
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