I agree Peewee...organized religion is all BS....not disagreeing with you at all. I was raised Roman Catholic, however I don't believe I ever gave any money and if I wanted to learn more about their way I could step in any church and listen.
What the are you talking about??
The he was a Crusade thing??
Moron, there are still Christian Churches that REQUIRE the he!!! That isn't something that died 300 years ago. There are countries that tax you to sustain the state church!!
What the are you talking about??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWUasKX3FZE
Here's the head of Scientology Miscavige interviwed by ABC news....he came on the in rebuttal to a time magazine article and cover page hammering the religion. It's a fascinating piece from 1991.
You may not have, but millions of others have and still do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWUasKX3FZE
Here's the head of Scientology Miscavige interviwed by ABC news....he came on the show in rebuttal to a time magazine article and cover page hammering the religion. It's a fascinating piece from 1991.
Can you not remember two posts back?
Here...let me help you....
What were you talking about? Getting killed for not putting your money in the basket??
Sometimes I think you spout just to spout.
Getting killed for leaving the church.
Getting killed for saying that the Earth revolves around the sun.
Getting killed for using herbs to cure diseases, being called a witch for doing so and burned on the stake.
Getting killed for being Jewish.
Getting killed for being Jewish, converting, and not changing your name.
Getting killed because your were of a rival family aiming to be the next Pope in line.
Need anymore examples?
However, my point was on paying the he.
And, what you quoted was me talking about the he.
So, I know what I was talking about.
You, however, just don't know how to quote appropriatly or know what context the conversation is carrying.
alright! another religion thread. awesome. where do i give my money?
it started as a make fun of Tom Cruise thread. However, the intolerant non-religious people always want to turn it into an attack on all religions.alright! another religion thread. awesome. where do i give my money?
What's funny is that guys like Kermit are made to look ridiculous. It's ok with me if you're an athiest and you want to enter a religious debate. However, most of the athiest usually just make stuff up and it's funny.
I never talked about hing. I was just interested in why the Church would kill you 300 years ago. I figured you were referring to the Crusades.
Interesting though that for your comparison of Scientology to other organized religion you're looking back 300 years to stuff that may or may not be accurate.
I would have expected a little better argument out of you. Oh wait, I wouldn't.
The he is an act of obedience. But as far as the he being used as a payment for entry into heaven, that is simply not true.
That payment has already been made "once and forever" by Jesus in order to obtain our "eternal redemption". Hebrews 10:10-15
Crusades? huh?
I think he meant the Inquisition. Which didnt offcially end until the late 1800s. Thank you, Elizabeth!
I didn't know what he was talking about...that why I asked. I'm not really sure he knew either.
Wow...i go away for a while and this thread turns sideways...
I have only met in my life ONE atheist who could really argue and backup his beliefs...the rest are just disgruntled catholics, most of the time, who feel disenfranchised by the routines and traditions of a million year old church...There is more to a relationship with God than kneel, sit, kneel, stand, etc etc...
i was that person at one point myself...but then i ask myself...why not believe? Were all of the gospels that were written over 100's of years by vastly different people all lies? Just a massively huge conspiracy to lie to the entire world that was played out over thousands of years...that really doesnt make a lot of sense does it?
There is no shame in putting faith in some thing or some one...
Stop feelnig threatened by those who DO have faith, and just be yourself...if you dont believe, great, but why the attack on the people who do?
doesn't it?
As far as I'm concerned Scientology is just one more bull in a long line of bull ideologies. I just find it hilarious when Catholics call Scientology bull .
that'll cost you 20 our fathers and 20 hail marys. oh, and don't forget to contribute 30% of your income either you little bas if you want to be a good, obedient follower.
Okay, for the re s:
Modern religions, and those who follow them, calling out Scientology for some of the things they do and believe in after having a similar past is like the teapot calling the kettle black.
Need more explaining?
Scientology is not a "religion", it's a cult and a pyramid scam combined. You get brainwashed, blackmailed if you speak out, and you have to pay to advance in the "faith". Dangerous for weak and vulnerable people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard
L. Ron Hubbard's philosophy, Scientology, and the Church of Scientology that he founded are controversial. Some do ents written by Hubbard himself suggest he regarded Scientology as a business, not a religion. In one letter dated April 10, 1953, he says calling Scientology a religion solves "a problem of practical business," and status as a religion achieves something "more equitable...with what we've got to sell." In a 1962 official policy letter, he said "Scientology 1970 is being planned on a religious organization basis throughout the world. This will not upset in any way the usual activities of any organization. It is entirely a matter for accountants and solicitors."[75] A Reader's Digest article of May 1980 quoted Hubbard as saying in the 1940s "Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion."[76]
According to The Visual Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, ed. Brian Ash, Harmony Books, 1977: "... [Hubbard] began making statements to the effect that any writer who really wished to make money should stop writing and develop [a] religion, or devise a new psychiatric method. Harlan Ellison's version (Time Out, UK, No 332) is that Hubbard is reputed to have told [John W.] Campbell, 'I'm going to invent a religion that's going to make me a fortune. I'm tired of writing for a penny a word.' Sam Moskowitz, a chronicler of science fiction, has reported that he himself heard Hubbard make a similar statement, but there is no first-hand evidence." Though Hubbard himself was also quoted driving his people toward financial results. For example, in one of his bulletins to officials Hubbard implored:
"Make money. Make more money. Make others produce so as to make money . . . However you get them in or why, just do it." and "Make sure that lots of bodies move through the shop,"
– L. Ron Hubbard
Tom is definately bat crazy and scientology is a cult. No debating.
However, all other organized religion is just as full of .
Im not saying I dont believe in a God, my relationship with a higher being is personal, I dont need a story book or structured orginization to tell me whats right and whats wrong in life.
Last edited by phyzik; 01-17-2008 at 12:43 AM.
how has a religion thread gone almost 4 pages without a cry havoc post?
you want the truth?
you cant handle the truth
Scientology makes me giggle.
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