on that we agree but its been that way for a couple of years now.Too much reliance on 3's this year, it's going to bite you in the ass
He's so good, in fact, that there's no way that Tim Duncan could have dreamed of putting up 28 and 17. No freakin' way.
I mean, it's not as if Duncan has been putting up 20 and 16 against Dwight Howard or 25 and 13 (or even 24 and 17) against Yao or 34 and 18 against Kaman or 24 and 15 against the Pistons' bigs.
But how much can you draw from an early early regular season game when Kwame Brown was still starting? The improvement Bynum made from the beginning of the season to now is phenomenal. There is a very good reason why he will probably win MIP this year.
Still we can settle all of this when we play again towards the end of the season. Both squads will hopefully be healthy and we can see where the chips fall this time. This game was just like the last game we played except reversed in regards to injuries.
How many points did Tim score in that 1st game we played? Thanks for playing.
Great job, timvp.
Good game spurs....I only saw the first half and had to leave to actually play men's league....we won by 30, came back and saw my boys go ty in the 3rd q. I hope both teams meet in the playoffs and that both teams are healthy...that would be awesome. Anyways, good luck the rest of the year, and as long as Phoenix loses, I'm happy....oh and we need to get Ariza, Radman, Mihm and of course Bynum back.
I don't like to use injuries as an excuse as that's the reason we have a roster and not just 5 guys. Good win vs a pretty hot Laker team.
Hey live by the three die by the three. It is successful because of Duncan, Parker and Ginobili. They know how to give guys the open looks and eventually they fall.
Come full strength in April minus the excuses. Injuries are part of the game, and the Spurs did exactly what they were suppose to do (beat the Lakers again).
When the game is played is irrelevant, bottom line is wins and losses. P&G was implying that SA couldn't beat the Lakers with LA at full strength, I merely pointed out that it has already happened.
That being said, I do agree that it is only January and there is a lot of basketball to be played.
Well, if you want to go that route, perhaps you can explain to me why the Spurs are shooting 24-50 from behind the arc in the two games that Duncan has played against the Lakers this season.
Oh, what's that? They were two stray games? Well, I guess your one game sample should say so much more than my two game sample, right? I should realize that no player in the NBA is capable of defending Tim Duncan as well as Andrew Bynum because Tim had one poor game that his team won going away. I should realize, from that one game, that Tim Duncan is fundamentally incapable of getting it done against good big men anymore.
Bynum makes a difference in last night's game. No doubt. However, the Spurs defense and their ball movement was excellent in the second half. I still think the Spurs win even if Bynum is in the game. I don't know if Tim scores 28 pts because Bynum gives him a hard time because of his strength and lenght. Who knows? All I care is that the Spurs won last night.
Sure. Bynum is a wonderful young player and he does make a difference for the Lakers.
I just dispute the notion that Tim Duncan is somehow incapable of putting big numbers against good young big men.
Thank you. At least acknowledge the fact that Bynum would have made a difference in that game. Instead of being up 9 at the half we'd probably be up 15-20 due to all the missed layups and opportunities by Kwame and MBenga.
Tim Duncan wouldn't have gone off for so many points and rebounds. It all adds up in the end.
I'm not saying that Tim can't have a good game against Bynum, he'd just be forced into taking lower percentage shots. Instead of those 2 foot gimmes he'd be pushed back a bit and have to rely on his jumpshot.
That's before Bynum had blown the up. If you honestly think this is the same Laker team then you'll be in for a nice surprise once the Lakeshow gets healthy.
This is nice. I missed y Laker Fan.
Almost like old times. Now Bynum just needs to make up some bull story about how Tim Duncan snubbed him in High School and I'll be set.
Agreed but the Lakers were still healthy and the Spurs still won the game.That's before Bynum had blown the up.
Therefore what I said was true, the Spurs have beaten the Lakers this season when the Lakers were at full strength. And if you think this will be the same Spurs team you will see in the Spring, you too will be surprised.
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I want to apologize to the Spurs, their fans, and the cleaning crew at the AT&T Center for the mess Odom, Walton, and Kwame left on the floor when they pissed on themselves in the 3rd quarter.
Just send the bill to Staples.
It wasn't maturity or youth that lost the game for LA. It was those three who can't stand another team taking the fight to them. I'd rather have the young guys (Turiaf, Farmar, even Sasha and of course Bynum and Ariza) who have the moxie than Odom, Walton and Kwame often times. Any time more than one of them are on the floor together, bad things happen.
LA is a good team. But they aren't going to beat the other top 3 teams in a playoff matchup (Boston, Detroit, & San Antonio) because when teams bring that D pressure and they don't get calls - those 3 go MIA with wet shorts.
I want to apologize to the Spurs, their fans, and the cleaning crew at the AT&T Center for the mess Odom, Walton, and Kwame left on the floor when they pissed on themselves in the 3rd quarter.
Just send the bill to Staples.
Ok, that was just funny.
Still, despite the adversity, the Lakers were in this game. They played their asses off and I think in time, as this team gets more mature they will be a le contender.
I agree, by next season I think the Lakers will be legitimate le contenders. Right now they lack maturity and experience, and it really showed when the Spurs put the clamps on in the 3rd quarter. Great teams don't lose composure like that.
Look, I like Bynum. Knew he was gonna be a good one the first time I saw him play. But we will never know how much difference he would have made in the score last night. You can guess all you want, but unless the man is on the floor, you will never know for certain.
I think heres another conudrum for you Laker fan.
If Bynum plays, he takes touches away from other guys that got you the big lead in the first half, guys like Sasha, and others who shot you into that lead.
Plus you've got one of the best post defenders of all time in Duncan guarding him and that you have to take into consideration too.
Bynum's mere presence alone facilitates the offense. The same way Duncan's does. You saw how the Spur's offense struggled when Duncan was out, it's very hard to put the ball in the hoop against good defensive teams when you can't run an inside-out game.
Having two guys, Kobe and Bynum, that demand double teams means someone is going to be open all the time. The offense wouldn't have gotten stagnated in the 3rd quarter like it did. We are the #3 offense in the league because of Bynum.
That pretty much sums it up. The attention Bynum draws also makes backcuts and screens easier - and Bynum is a great passer for a big man.
I'm after 3 quarters of this game and I must say that Udoka had his day. And maaaaan it was fun to watch that 3rd Q and the spurs having fun of the play.
"He is manu Ginobili" - Pop
and
"Timd Duncan is the most underated defender that game have ever seen" - brother
One quote is fantastic the second is what I do agree with the most. TD does not have a DPOTY but his work on the defensive end is fabulous. I can't tell how many bigs were so dominant in the paint not having other big (quality) beside him. Well there was Dave but he was not such a force when it comes to overall defense. D-Rob lacks bit of 1-1 D.
(Bowen is underrated as well IMO he should have 2 DPOTY awards)
The game was fun to watch but still I'm not happy that the spurs do not have another "7-footer" in rotation... LA had adventage in the paint. And TD can't guard and boxout everybody.
Horry looks lost. Pop will have to decide if he wants him in the playoffs...
I agree that Manu can handle the point. He is a three point threat and can drive the ball into the lane and kick out. He is better to have at the position than Vaughn when we need offense.
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