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    Kidd couldn't guard Parker at all 5 years ago (the Nets had to switch Kittles onto Parker after the way TP scored at will on Kidd in games 1 and 2)
    And then he proceed to play like complete garbage the next three games.

    Plus, Kidd never really had a center behind him that could allow him to play more aggressively. I think having Damp and Diop behind him would help his defense. Besides, I think that the Mavericks defense on Parker is good more because of the system, as opposed to Harris. Harris does a good job of resisting Parker from driving as easily, but I see Parker miss more layups against Dallas than any other team, and thats because they force him to drive straight to the basket, and block his passing lanes, funneling him into Diop, and forcing him to try to take a bad layup. Most of Parker's points against Dallas nowadays comes solely on fast-breaks. But as a team, they pretty much shut him down in half-court sets.

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    Portland gets raped in that deal though. Channing Frye, Jarret Jack, Outlaw for Devin Harris? Harris is a good player......but he ain't that good.

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    As a spurs fan, I also hope Dallas does that deal. Not b/c I think harris is the or anything, but mostly b/c I think PG is not an area of weakness for them and b/c Kidd's effect is vastly overrated by most media who hail him as the Great Saviour.

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    And then he proceed to play like complete garbage the next three games.
    Jason Terry isn't Kerry Kittles defensively, and Tony Parker is a much better player now than he was in 03.

    Plus, Kidd never really had a center behind him that could allow him to play more aggressively.
    He had Kenyon Martin and Dikembe Mutombo behind him in that series.

    I think having Damp and Diop behind him would help his defense. Besides, I think that the Mavericks defense on Parker is good more because of the system, as opposed to Harris. Harris does a good job of resisting Parker from driving as easily, but I see Parker miss more layups against Dallas than any other team, and thats because they force him to drive straight to the basket, and block his passing lanes, funneling him into Diop, and forcing him to try to take a bad layup. Most of Parker's points against Dallas nowadays comes solely on fast-breaks. But as a team, they pretty much shut him down in half-court sets.
    If Martin and Mutombo couldn't cover a 29 year-old Kidd's weaknesses, how are Diop and Dampier going to cover for a 34 year-old Kidd?

    Man, I hope this trade goes down.

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    Jason Terry isn't Kerry Kittles defensively, and Tony Parker is a much better player now than he was in 03.
    Okay... but what does Jason Terry have to do with anything?

    He had Kenyon Martin and Dikembe Mutombo behind him in that series. If Martin and Mutombo couldn't cover a 29 year-old Kidd's weaknesses, how are Diop and Dampier going to cover for a 34 year-old Kidd?
    Mutumbo was old, washed up, hurt all year, and the only thing he did well at that time was block shots. K-Mart is only 6-9 and plays SF/PF. Major difference. Diop/Damp's defense > Mutumbo/K-Mart's defense. Plus, Dallas has a much better system than any team in the league at containing TP.

    Man, I hope this trade goes down.
    So do I. Unfortunately, not for the same reasons, as your reasons are incredibly skewed and flawed.

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    Okay... but what does Jason Terry have to do with anything?
    Looks like Terry will have to be your go-to guy to guard Parker when Kidd's getting his ass handed to him.


    Mutumbo was old, washed up, hurt all year, and the only thing he did well at that time was block shots. K-Mart is only 6-9 and plays SF/PF. Major difference. Diop/Damp's defense > Mutumbo/K-Mart's defense. Plus, Dallas has a much better system than any team in the league at containing TP.
    Dampier's washed up and old too. Diop's no better a shotblocker than Martin was in that series.

    Kidd is badly overrated now. He's done. He can't shoot at all. He's a horrible option to have trying to guard players like Tony Parker, Chris Paul, or Steve Nash. Dallas would be insane to trade a young two-way player who actually has a jump shot and shreds the defense of his major rival for Kidd's post-glory years.

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    Yeah, if Dallas gives up Stackhouse and Harris, I feel much better about our chances against them, assuming everyone is healthy and we meet in the playoffs. Sure, they can still beat us and will be hard for us to beat, but that eases the matchup a little bit in my opinion. Harris and Stackhouse play good against us. Plus, Harris actually defends Parker better than any of us thought. Kidd cannot defend a healthy Parker. He just can't. He does give Dallas a true point guard and his fast-paced style should fit right in with players like Howard and Dirk, who like to shoot on the break. He is a good rebounder, too. I think this makes Dallas about the same overall really. I think it eases the matchup problems against us.

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    Does Cleveland even have anyone the Nets would want. They are not giving up Kidd for a Boobie.

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    I dont think the rumors have any legs beyond that: for one why is there a need for Portland to be involved, they are not giving up Jack, Frye and Outlaw for essentially Harris. Makes no sense. And if Nets aren't getting back Jack and Outlaw-caliber types, why the would they do this deal.

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    Doesn't it seem like it's getting harder and harder to make trades? It appears almost impossible. Seems like free agency is the only way to get vets these days.

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    Doesn't it seem like it's getting harder and harder to make trades? It appears almost impossible. Seems like free agency is the only way to get vets these days.

    I know that Miami has been shopping Shaq for picks and young players but so far no one has bit. 2 years coming off the le almost any team would have jumped at a chance at Shaq.

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    Thank you, Tim Duncan! peskypesky's Avatar
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    I know that Miami has been shopping Shaq for picks and young players but so far no one has bit. 2 years coming off the le almost any team would have jumped at a chance at Shaq.
    Wow. Hard to believe that the day has come...when a team has trouble mustering interest in Shaquille O'Neal. Time waits for no one...

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    Wow. Hard to believe that the day has come...when a team has trouble mustering interest in Shaquille O'Neal. Time waits for no one...

    Is sad really but it is what is.

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