Kidd-to-Mavs rumor

[ludda]

"Privately, Kidd is telling friends that he wants to go to Dallas. He desperately wanted the Lakers’ trade to happen at last season’s deadline, but Thorn wouldn’t do it without prying away Andrew Bynum. This season, Kidd pushed to play with LeBron, but the Cavs don’t have enough to offer. Yes, Dallas makes the most sense for Kidd. He knows they need his leadership. He knows Cuban will absorb his contract. He knows that they’re the best chance he has to get out of Jersey and get a championship before he retires."

Now, the Nets are on a nine-game spiral, the franchise is unraveling and Kidd is getting louder about wanting out. The possibility? The Nets were telling people it was just 25 percent Monday, but the team is a dysfunctional mess. With the Feb. 21 trade deadline nearing, the Nets and Dallas Mavericks have exchanged several proposals, but it always comes back to the realization that they need a third team to make this happen. Dallas owner Mark Cuban refuses to part with Josh Howard. The Nets want a package that includes a good young player, an expiring contract, draft picks and cash.

Denver is intrigued with Kidd, too, and recently tossed out Allen Iverson’s name. The Nets aren’t going there with AI, and Nuggets executives are telling confidants that they’re out of the bidding for now because the Nets are asking too steep a price. Cleveland has offered every possible package, but so far there’s no scenario where Kidd could join LeBron James.

Back in the summer, Kidd considered it disrespectful that the Nets invested $61.8 million to keep Vince Carter without offering him his own contract extension. Kidd’s max-out contract expires at the end of the 2008-09 season and friction between him and management started when his request for a one-year, $13 million extension was rebuffed.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

[Findog]

Can we stop the Kidd to Dallas bull ?

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/story/2008/1/29/173127/128

Stan McNeal of the Sporting News put together an idea for a Jason Kidd-to-Dallas trade that made sense to him:

To make the salaries match, the Mavs could offer Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse, DeSagana Diop, Juwan Howard and Devean George. The latter three all have expiring contracts, which would clear about about $5 million off the Nets' books this summer, free them of paying Kidd $21-plus million next season and give them a pair of solid guards in Harris and Stackhouse.

McNeal emailed Mark Cuban for his response, which was priceless:

"Step away from your crack dealer."

[Findog]

Here, let's throw some more cold water/common sense on the Kidd to Dallas talk:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...3dstateChanged

Harris is out for the next couple of weeks with a bone bruise on his ankle, but he has put together a strong season as the Dallas point man, scoring 18.9 points per 40 minutes on a 59.2 TS%.

His play has been strong enough, in fact, that I'd like to throw out a heretical thought for you Mavs fans contemplating a Harris-and-change-for-Kidd trade: What makes you think having Kidd would be better?

Harris has a much better PER this season and wasn't much behind Kidd in 2005-06 (last season Kidd had a sizable edge, though). While Kidd is a great defender against big guards, Harris is vastly superior against the quick guards -- Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Allen Iverson, etc. -- the Mavs are likely to be matching up against in the playoffs. Additionally, Kidd shoots 36.9 percent from the floor and 34.3 percent from 3, while Harris is at 48.3 percent and 35.7 percent from 3 … so whom would you rather have spacing the floor for Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard?

Kidd's major advantage over Harris is that he's an awesome defensive rebounder, but the Mavs already rank eighth in defensive rebound rate -- how much can he really improve that number? And to get those rebounds, they're giving up the whopping 6.8 points per 40 minutes advantage Harris has, not to mention picking up some extra turnovers (Kidd has been wildly turnover-prone, in what is one of the season's most underreported stories). And finally, remember that Dallas is one of the league's slowest-paced teams … so whom would Kidd be running with?

If I were Dallas, I'd make sure I remembered I'm not trading for what Kidd did over the past decade, but what he'll give me in the next three months … which I'm not convinced exceeds what Harris will do.

Everybody that wants this keeps saying "IT'S JASON KIDD!" Newsflash: It's 2008, not 2002.

[TDMVPDPOY]

dont forget his statpadding triple doubles are overrated that sometimes dont amount to wins.....

[Rip-Hamilton32]

dont forget his statpadding triple doubles are overrated that sometimes dont amount to wins.....

lol how can you say that its overrated just cause the rest of the team doesn't show up, there are alot centers in the league don't average 10 rebounds a game never mind a guard

[endrity]

It's true that one of our main weaknesses is ball momevement but there has been work with that this year. Devin's development is helping, especially since he can get into the lane so easily and then kick it back to open shooters.

However our main problem is shooting. We don't space the floor very well because we don't have shooters. Dirk is not allowed by Avery and only shoots from 15feet in. Jet has lost his touch a bit since going to the bench and everybody else is jut not very reliable.

I would love for us to try to get Redd. He has been said to be on the move. Dallas already signed him 4 years ago as a restricted FA but the Bucks matched, and they still have showed interest in him over the years. Redd would be the best addition we could do. I would like the idea of Artest as well. I know he is crazy and all, but good locker rooms have shown to influence these kind of people the right way. And Dallas has a good one. KVH's contract is a huge asset. Every team needs cap space. And the Kings might deal Bibby and K.Thomas to the Cavs soon, so they would be clearing quite a bit of space for this year and next. With Martin, Salmons, Udrih they have already guys who to build around.

[ludda]

More crazy Kidd rumors...

The Nets are discussing a complicated three-team scenario with the Mavericks and Blazers in which Kidd would go to Dallas, league sources said.

In return, the Nets would get back young players (Jarrett Jack and Travis Outlaw), expiring contracts (Devean George, DeSagana Diop), Jerry Stackhouse, draft picks and cash. More players, including other Nets, would be involved.

There are other willing trade partners and possibilities as the Lakers, Cavaliers, Nuggets, Spurs and Suns also would like to be in the Kidd sweepstakes.
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/14896561.html

Vaughn for Kidd

[Findog]

How does it benefit Dallas to give up 4 players off our roster if Kidd is the only guy coming back? What kind of depth does that leave us with? Aside from a Kurt Thomas type, our biggest need would be for a 2-guard that can score - Avery has rolled out Eddie Jones, Devean George, Trenton Hassell and Maurice Ager at the 2 and none of them have been able to win the job other than Jones by default.

[ludda]

Would mavs really miss Stackhouse? I think they're doing fine without him now. George barely plays. (Doesn't he have to agree to the trade or something, not sure). Diop you can make a case for since Erica would be all you have at C. But Kidd is worth it. Other players are involved, I'm assuming Net scrubs. I don't see what benefit Portland gets out of this though.

In the end, I could see Kidd going to the Cavs. Lebron's pushing hard for that and they might put something around Gibson and whoever.

[Findog]

[QUOTE]

Would mavs really miss Stackhouse?

I think he can help us come playoff time, but if the opportunity arose, I would get rid of that contract. Why New Jersey would take it on though, I don't know.

[KidCongo]

Nets get Gooden, Snow, Shannon Brown, Ira Newble, Damon Jones and 1st rounder

Cavs get Kidd and Magloire/filler

I mean Jersey aren't getting close to finals any-time soon, all of that Salary comes off within the next 2 off-seasons. They need to blow up and Gooden can score down-low for them even if he is a dumbass.

[KidCongo]

and this is a pipe dream of mine..

[JamStone]

Nets get Gooden, Snow, Shannon Brown, Ira Newble, Damon Jones and 1st rounder

Cavs get Kidd and Magloire/filler

I mean Jersey aren't getting close to finals any-time soon, all of that Salary comes off within the next 2 off-seasons. They need to blow up and Gooden can score down-low for them even if he is a dumbass.

So the Nets are supposed to trade Kidd for essentially a late first round draft pick? Yeah, that's appealing.

Kidd's contract expires the same time as Gooden, Snow, and Jones. So, the Nets save exactly $2.5 million in cap relief. Wow! Give up a $20 million contract and save 10% of it in cap relief????

Even if they liked Shannon Brown, they wouldn't have his Bird Rights because the Cavs waived those rights.

Your deal is basically Kidd for Drew Gooden for one and a half seasons and a late first round draft pick.

Good one.

[ratm1221]

I'll be so pissed if Kidd comes to Dallas.

[monosylab1k]

What kind of depth does that leave us with?

And just how important is our depth, really? Every year we say "our bench is so deep!" and come playoff time every year our tune changes to "what the is wrong with the bench?????". depth is important only to spell guys during the regular season, but once it's playoff time, we're rolling with a 7 man rotation just like Phoenix is.

[BUMP]

i say we go ahead and do it. Stackhouse is valuable but he wont be around forever just like Kidd. the only risk im worried about is losing Diop, but i think that low post offensive skills are what this team desperately needs, and we arent losing much if any, if Diop leaves. i would do it.

[stretch]

Nets get Gooden, Snow, Shannon Brown, Ira Newble, Damon Jones and 1st rounder

Cavs get Kidd and Magloire/filler

I mean Jersey aren't getting close to finals any-time soon, all of that Salary comes off within the next 2 off-seasons. They need to blow up and Gooden can score down-low for them even if he is a dumbass.

I would love it if Dallas could make a move to get both Magliore and Kidd.

[sribb43]

I would love it if Dallas could make a move to get both Magliore and Kidd.

I can understand Kidd but Magliore, come on...it should tell you something if he cant get playing time on the Nets, a team that lacks size..heck even Jason Collins gets more clock than Magliore

[SenorSpur]

I'll be so pissed if Kidd comes to Dallas.

Why?

[monosylab1k]

I can understand Kidd but Magliore, come on...it should tell you something if he cant get playing time on the Nets, a team that lacks size..heck even Jason Collins gets more clock than Magliore

Brandon Bass couldn't break into the rotation for a mediocre team last year, and he's doing great for us. It all depends on the situation. Not saying they should go after Magloire, but just cuz he isn't doing anything for NJ doesn't mean he won't make an impact here.

[monosylab1k]

is there any fanbase more homeristic and delusional about their players than the Mavs fanbase? Only here can we pay a ton of money to Dampier and rationalize it by saying "he's an offensive rebounding specialist of course we need him!!!!!!!!!!!!". No wonder the majority of Mavs fans think Jason Kidd is a step down from Devin Harris for this season.

3 years from now Harris will unquestionably be better than Kidd. But what the does it matter if our window for a le is shut? WIN NOW.

[sribb43]

Brandon Bass couldn't break into the rotation for a mediocre team last year, and he's doing great for us. It all depends on the situation. Not saying they should go after Magloire, but just cuz he isn't doing anything for NJ doesn't mean he won't make an impact here.

Bass was in his 2nd year....Magliore has been in the league 10+ years, there is no upside

[sribb43]

is there any fanbase more homeristic and delusional about their players than the Mavs fanbase? Only here can we pay a ton of money to Dampier and rationalize it by saying "he's an offensive rebounding specialist of course we need him!!!!!!!!!!!!". No wonder the majority of Mavs fans think Jason Kidd is a step down from Devin Harris for this season.

3 years from now Harris will unquestionably be better than Kidd. But what the does it matter if our window for a le is shut? WIN NOW.

you want to win now you get Kidd..you want to win 55-60 games the next 3 or 4 years w/ no le dont acquire Kidd

[monosylab1k]

Bass was in his 2nd year....Magliore has been in the league 10+ years, there is no upside

But if we're losing Diop in the trade, getting Magloire will be tremendous. He has no upside, i agree, and he won't be anything special, but he'll fill that void at backup C.

[sribb43]

But if we're losing Diop in the trade, getting Magloire will be tremendous. He has no upside, i agree, and he won't be anything special, but he'll fill that void at backup C.

just to let you know, Magloire is one of the worst defensive centers in the league today