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if we are going to pull a trade now
the trades has to addressed our team needs,
that is a damn rebounder and a reliable backup down low player
seriously, bonner is a waste of money,
horry has nothing left in the tank,
oberto? dude is undersized and only good when spurs are playing against scrubs in a losing team effort
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I just think the number of 'aging vets' has reached critical mass on this team, it did last year, we just didn't have to deal with Dallas.
I can't for the life of me figure out why the Spurs front office was content with the AARP plan for the 2007-2008 season.
I think Finley and Horry are done. Barry probably won't be healthy the rest of the season, and Bowen is hit or miss (I am hoping like he's hitting when it matters, but this lull of late is making me nervous). Vaughn isn't the type of guy who can play significant minute in the playoffs at point and not have us suffer for it.
You're looking at Parker, TD, Manu, Udoka, and Bonner to carry the load, and Matt has proven to be about as clutch as Vince Carter when it matters.
I hope I'm wrong, but I've just got shades of Terry Porter falling down in the playoffs coming back to me when I watch this team these days.
I stood in the bar looking at the screen for prob 15 mins.
Im at a loss for words honestly.
Can we please move Elson and Barry for Kurt Thomas? Stien said tonight on ESPN that they were basically giving Thomas away for expiring deals and a pick.
That's a bunch of crap.
The Spurs have no fire, heart or hunger right now with or without a healthy Parker. Healthy Parker of course gives them a better chance. And I certainly think his health is a big part of why the Spurs aren't winning lately. But is this group hungry? I don't think so.
They started out the season focused and hot. They seemed to have the kind of determination only normally reserved for the postseason from the get-go to start the year. I was amazed by the focus, the ball movement and the efficiency.
And then something funny happened, they beat a bunch of mediocre teams and had an overinflated record. All of a sudden they lost their way. People started missing rotations and didn't seem to care. Guys got focused on 1-on-1 instead of 5-on-5. Pop shuffled players in and out of the lineup with reckless abandon. Players stopped caring about the big picture - which is something that the Spurs live by. All of a sudden the Spurs lost all cohesiveness and focus.
Sure, injuries suck. But I really wish the Spurs would have started the season at .500 after 20 games rather than 17-3. They fell victim to thinking they are better than they are and they stopped working. It sucks.
I thought some of these bad losses lately would snap something in some of these guys' heads to make them realize that every play counts, all 48 minutes. Repeating isn't easy but winning ball games in January against crap teams should be easier than this.
The Spurs used to be a got damn machine of efficiency. Now they are a pile of broken parts.
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The worst part about this loss is that Duncan and Ginobili both played almost 40 minutes. We really need a competent bigman, and trading Barry to a team looking to clear capspace makes a lot of sense right now.
He said believe DAMMIT. Everyone calm the @!%k down!Are we Spurs fans that spoiled????? We'll be back like the Terminator... at least this year, can't say for next season
What assets do we have that someone would want?
The big three aren't touchable.
Pop won't trade Bowen, Finley, Barry, or Horry on principle (probably can add Vaughn to this list too).
That leaves us with Udoka, Ian, Tiago's rights, any of our stashed Euros' rights, Bonner, Richardson.... not exactly going to get much out of that group in return.
The Spurs screwed the pooch on addressing team needs over the summer. Udoka was a shrewd pickup, but other than that we got subjected to the typical Holting pattern, and it's now come home to roost.
I'm with you timvp.
For whatever reason I'm not nearly as concerned as I was last year at this time.
I know they'll work through this, and they'll be better for having gone through it.
Their bodies will heal, their minds will join together in the "bunker mentality" that they have coming into the playoffs.
Whether Pop pulls his soft speech, whether they stand with what they have or make a trade, it will all wash out in time for them to be playing well when it matters.
You've got to lose to know how to win.
This team knows both. They will come out of this fine.
I believe.
That's a bunch of crap.
The Spurs have no fire, heart or hunger right now with or without a healthy Parker. Healthy Parker of course gives them a better chance. And I certainly think his health is a big part of why the Spurs aren't winning lately. But is this group hungry? I don't think so.
They started out the season focused and hot. They seemed to have the kind of determination only normally reserved for the postseason from the get-go to start the year. I was amazed by the focus, the ball movement and the efficiency.
And then something funny happened, they beat a bunch of mediocre teams and had an overinflated record. All of a sudden they lost their way. People started missing rotations and didn't seem to care. Guys got focused on 1-on-1 instead of 5-on-5. Pop shuffled players in and out of the lineup with reckless abandon. Players stopped caring about the big picture - which is something that the Spurs live by. All of a sudden the Spurs lost all cohesiveness and focus.
Sure, injuries suck. But I really wish the Spurs would have started the season at .500 after 20 games rather than 17-3. They fell victim to thinking they are better than they are and they stopped working. It sucks.
I thought some of these bad losses lately would snap something in some of these guys heads to make them realize that every play counts, all 48 minutes. Repeating isn't easy but winning ball games in January against crap teams should be easier than this.
The Spurs used to be a got damn machine of efficiency. Now they are a pile of broken parts.
good post.
I initially was annoyed with Pop for not settling on even a semi-rotation, as it felt that his lineups and shuffling of players was all over the place.
But now I kinda realize he literally has no one to even set a rotation for outside the big 3 and perhaps Udoka and Bowen.
and god help me if the Spurs lose to the Raptors in a game in which I paid over $200 a ticket for!!
Something that can improve the offense is having a big NOT named Oberto next to Tim getting consistant minutes, helping triggering fast breaks and creating easy transition buckets by standing their ground inside, blocking, and contesting shots around the rim. Something Oberto is very very very inferior at.
Our transition game has been non-existent the past month and a half. Half of that is because of Parker's injury but the other half of it comes from the lack of interior defense. That's why I'm so against Oberto, but y'all claim he's solid when he gets dimed for easy wide open lay ups, sets screens, and tips a ball out or two. Any big can make an open layup and set a good screen and most grab rebounds not tip them. We win with defense, always have always will and thats my point about Oberto. He brings zero defensively.
If anything I'd like to trade a couple of expendable players with expiring contracts for a defensive big man.
with or without parker
they loss to the damn sonics, out of all the teams, teh sonics!!!
this is outrageous, they do not know this spur-taaaaa
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Even Tpark was bothered by this loss.
This team has more issues than Britney Spears.
Not only are they getting old and busted, but the youngest player to get any real minutes is out "indefinitely". This is no way to go about the Rodeo Road Trip. In the past, they have at least had their core in-tact during the trip...but not this time around.
If anything is going to happen to keep this ship afloat, it will have to wait until after the trip, I am afraid...maybe when Barry is back, Pop can finally get this team together.
A lot of people here are opposed to Stoudamire joining the team for various reasons, but at this point he cannot really hurt the team. If he does join, he is a temporary fix at best...he is 34 damn years old.
2006-2007 Spurs: NBA Champions
2007-2008 Spurs: The Best Damn Wheelchair Basketball Team the World Has Ever Seen
They just broke T-Park... the sky is falling.
The Spurs have come close to dealing Barry two years in a row now. It makes sense to finally make the move this time, with him out a month, a $5.5 million expiring contract, and the uncertainty of when that calf if going to go down a 4th time when he comes back. Add in Elson's $3 million expiring deal, and maybe the Spurs can land someone to contribute off the bench.
Main problem is that outside Tim, Manu and Tony nobody in this team scores consistently , these three sometimes have to force it way to much just to try to keep a game close, and what happen … turn overs, double, triple team on Tim, then injuries… What else… we only need one or two players to make some stupid buckets.. that’s all.
If you do not agree that this is the worst the Spurs have played since drafting Duncan, you probably need to see a doctor.
If the season started a month ago, the Spurs would need to play .750 ball (at worst) the rest of the way just to make the playoffs. We are playing like a team content with a top 10 pick in the lottery right now.
... And I just spilled a frickin' full iced coffee on my keyboard
That's a bunch of crap.
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I'm not broke, I'm with Timvp.
I just thought they had the game won when they went up 77-71.
I think they deal for a big, sign stoudamire, and parker comes back 90% after the all star game.
Good enough to win it all.
IMO, if Udoka could've stayed out there for the rest of tonight and last night, we'd be talking about a 2-0 RRT.
Something that can improve the offense is having a big NOT named Oberto next to Tim getting consistant minutes, helping triggering fast breaks and creating easy transition buckets by standing their ground inside, blocking, and contesting shots around the rim. Something Oberto is very very very inferior at.
Our transition game has been non-existent the past month and a half. Half of that is because of Parker's injury but the other half of it comes from the lack of interior defense. That's why I'm so against Oberto, but y'all claim he's solid when he gets dimed for easy wide open lay ups, sets screens, and tips a ball out or two. Any big can make an open layup and set a good screen and most grab rebounds not tip them. We win with defense, always have always will and thats my point about Oberto. He brings zero defensively.
If anything I'd like to trade a couple of expendable players with expiring contracts for a defensive big man.
Udoka sucked today.
LJ, I'm surprised that you think they were worse at this time last year! I can't agree.
As for trades - I think Pop has to sit down with one of those four he "won't trade in principle", package whoever it is with Elson, a pick and cash, and get Thomas. Elson + Barry makes sense because that would give Seattle even more cap room (about $400,000 more), but I hate to see Barry go.
I'd also like to see Pietrus here, but it's one or the other and a big is a bigger need I guess.
We don't have a hope in with all these guys who've suddenly turned 50 overnight!
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