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    Kori, any idea why the coaches chose Roy over Manu?
    Probably because Portland is doing so much better than expected that they think should have an All-Star.

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    You start separating yourself once you make the All-Star team a second time
    Yeah like Sean Elliott

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    BTW, Spurs fans need to stop looking at PER as some sort of guide of who is going to make the All-Star team. PER is just a stat that Hollinger made up. I've never heard of an NBA coach mention PER. I doubt more than a hand full of coaches even know what PER is ... and they are the ones who vote on the reserves.

    I wanted Ginobili to make it and I think he deserved to make it but a successful argument for why he should make it can't revolve around PER. In the eyes of All-Star voters, that stat doesn't exist.

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    Disappointed Manu is not there...No complaints on the selection. None from Golden state too...Sometimes it is tough. You can not really complain...........

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    BTW, Spurs fans need to stop looking at PER as some sort of guide of who is going to make the All-Star team. PER is just a stat that Hollinger made up. I've never heard of an NBA coach mention PER. I doubt more than a hand full of coaches even know what PER is ... and they are the ones who vote on the reserves.

    I wanted Ginobili to make it and I think he deserved to make it but a successful argument for why he should make it can't revolve around PER. In the eyes of All-Star voters, that stat doesn't exist.

    For me, it's not really the PER...it's the fact that Manu averages 19 pts off the bench...which is something unheard of and should separate him from other candidates, like Brandon Roy, who makes 19 pts as a starter, playing 38 minutes a game...

    Historically, I don't think there has ever been a player who averages that much off the bench...

    Anyway, the results are already in...I just feel that Manu definitely earned it this year especially...

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    Brandon Roy
    PPG 19,3
    RPG 4,5
    APG 5,6
    SPG 0,9
    BPG 0,2
    FG% 0,460
    FT% 0,785
    3P% 0,338
    MPG 37,3

    Manu Ginobili
    PPG 19,5
    RPG 4,7
    APG 4,2
    SPG 1,6
    BPG 0,4
    FG% 0,443
    FT% 0,824
    3P% 0,401
    MPG 29,8

    I guess the only reason Ginobili was left out was that he plays lesser minutes than Roy.... Ha Ha Ha.

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    For me, it's not really the PER...it's the fact that Manu averages 19 pts off the bench...which is something unheard of and should separate him from other candidates, like Brandon Roy, who makes 19 pts as a starter, playing 38 minutes a game...

    Historically, I don't think there has ever been a player who averages that much off the bench...
    ever heard of a guy from chicago name BEN GORDAN?

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    Manu summed it up pretty well:

    “This is the NBA, the Western Conference,” Ginobili said. “I don't have any complaints. The four days off probably will help me.”

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    Manu summed it up pretty well:

    Thanks for posting.

    By the way, do you have the link to the whole article?

    During the Suns/Spurs game, everyone was all talking about how Marion was left out unfairly from the All Stars game...

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    During the Suns/Spurs game, everyone was all talking about how Marion was left out unfairly from the All Stars game...
    Marion's a whiny . So that comes as no surprise.

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    Thanks for posting.

    By the way, do you have the link to the whole article?

    During the Suns/Spurs game, everyone was all talking about how Marion was left out unfairly from the All Stars game...
    Maybe Marion can demand a trade from the Western Conference too.

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    Marion's a whiny . So that comes as no surprise.

    What's interesting is how the announcers were all talking about how Marion does not feel as appreciated as his two teammates and thinks he does not get enough credit...and that's why he wanted a trade a while back...He's in one of the top teams!

    huh? Who would not want to play with Steve Nash, who is a very unselfish player?

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    What's interesting is how the announcers were all talking about how Marion does not feel as appreciated as his two teammates and thinks he does not get enough credit...and that's why he wanted a trade a while back...He's in one of the top teams!

    huh? Who would not want to play with Steve Nash, who is a very unselfish player?
    You should read Jack MacCallum's book "Seven Seconds or Less" and then you will see what a whiny baby Marion is.

    One time, he got so mad because the Suns cheerleaders were wearing Nash and Amare jerseys in a skit and not his. He through a big fit about it.
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    You should read Jack MacCallum's book "Six Seconds or Less" and then you will see what a whiny baby Marion is.

    One time, he got so mad because the Suns cheerleaders were wearing Nash and Amare jerseys in a skit and not his. He through a big fit about it.

    Really?

    Apparently, Marion also said today that in his opinion, he's an All Star every single year...

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    Really?

    Apparently, Marion also said today that in his opinion, he's an All Star every single year...
    He actually said in a magazine something to the effect of .. Nash might be the MVP of the league, but I'm the MVP of this team.

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    He actually said in a magazine something to the effect of .. Nash might be the MVP of the league, but I'm the MVP of this team.




    Wow, he doesn't show too much respect towards his teammates...

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    Wow, he doesn't show too much respect towards his teammates...
    They have been trying to deal him on and off for a couple years because coaches/management are sick of having to always baby him and stroke his ego. What's funny is that he could just shutup and be good, then he'd get whatever respect he's looking for. It's weird for an NBA player to be so insecure and jealous.

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    Really?

    Apparently, Marion also said today that in his opinion, he's an All Star every single year...
    Yep - I heard the mini interview they did with him and he did say that! He said he was very disappointed because he thinks he's an All Star every year. Boy, what an ego!

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    They have been trying to deal him on and off for a couple years because coaches/management are sick of having to always baby him and stroke his ego. What's funny is that he could just shutup and be good, then he'd get whatever respect he's looking for. It's weird for an NBA player to be so insecure and jealous.


    Perhaps he simply has a big ego...and thinks he should be the top leader of any NBA team...

    I'm just wondering how his teammates, specifically Nash, react to him? Because, it would sound like there would be chemistry issues due to one big ego...

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    BTW, Spurs fans need to stop looking at PER as some sort of guide of who is going to make the All-Star team. PER is just a stat that Hollinger made up. I've never heard of an NBA coach mention PER. I doubt more than a hand full of coaches even know what PER is ... and they are the ones who vote on the reserves.

    I wanted Ginobili to make it and I think he deserved to make it but a successful argument for why he should make it can't revolve around PER. In the eyes of All-Star voters, that stat doesn't exist.
    Whether they're aware of the stat consciously or not is irrelevant. The point is that 12 of the top 13 were named all-stars so obviously there is a strong correlation between Hollinger's stat and guys who can freakin' play. I wish you wouldn't dismiss the stat so easily, because you never see anyone on there in the top 50 and think, "Man, that guy sucks" but you see ESPN overhype mediocre guys who just chuck up a lot of shots all the time.

    The stat values traits that one would think most coaches would value: Efficiency, quality, and being an all-around player. All this proves is that coaches are filthy liars. They all talk about how Manu is the perfect player, how he adapts to any role, how he never complains, how he hustles, does the little things, how he's clutch, etc. etc. etc., but when it comes to voting, it's the usual "star" fest, filled with guys with no postseason experience and non-existent crunchtime moments on their resumes.

    There is not a single convincing argument anyone could make for Roy over Ginobili other than media hype. Roy isn't really doing anything people didn't expect he'd do this year. The team's improvement has as much to do with Aldridge, Blake and Webster as it does with him. Maybe the GM and the coach deserve some credit for putting a decent team around Roy.

    , even having Roy instead of Davis is a joke. You talk about surprising teams, isn't the Warriors record a surprise? What do they have like, 27, 28 wins so far? They only had 42 all of last year and already have more road wins this season than last.

    Nice story for Portland, but Roy is by far the least deserving all-star in either conference, it's complete lunacy. This tells me that next year they'll put Oden in the game if he has a ing pulse. The Blazers won't make the playoffs this season, and you can take that to the bank.

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    What I really don't understand about the voting is that both conferences are definitely deeper in talent at point guard than shooting guard and yet both have gone with two points and three shooting guards on the team. That makes no sense at all. Calderon is having a much better year than Hamilton or Joe Johnson and Davis or even Deron Williams would've been a better choice than Roy.

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    Parker didn't deserve too, he's played terribly lately and he couldn't have played anyway.

    Manu... I don't want him too anyway, we need to keep the team as fresh as we can.

    Hopefully Duncan doesn't get too many minutes either.

    Do we have anybody in the 3 point?

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    Parker didn't deserve lately in a conference overloaded with talented PG.

    I would pick Manu over Roy for he is a proven winner, play for the reigning champ, has better stats. But I am fine with Manu having some rest... the post season should be very tough in the west this season and we will need the best from our big 3.

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    Shame that Manu isn't selected. Tony doesn't deserve it anyway.

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    Thanks for posting.

    By the way, do you have the link to the whole article?

    During the Suns/Spurs game, everyone was all talking about how Marion was left out unfairly from the All Stars game...
    Here's the link to the whole article. It's easy to ignore because it's at the end of a D.Stoudamire article:
    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....7a8406d9.html

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