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Thomas has knee issues...
Small muscular tears like Barry's would heal even if he were 60 years old...
Cartilage problems can be more limiting.
Whos playing and who isn't?Also, Kurt Thomas is more likely to get hurt than Barry
Thomas has knee issues...
Small muscular tears like Barry's would heal even if he were 60 years old...
Cartilage problems can be more limiting.
Whatever happened to guys needing to "learn our system". The system that supposedly takes 2 seasons to fully understand.
I guess we are suppose to bring in noobs in March and hope for that ring? that. And next year and the year after next year.
Go in with what we have and get that repeat. If Barry won't be back at all this year, trade his ass. If he is coming back for playoffs healthy. Keep him, he is finally BARRY.
Brent Barry can't guard Shaq and Bynum now can he.
That worked out great for the Miami Heat.And next year and the year after next year
That's a red herring argument.
Barry wasn't brought in to do that. Barry has filled his role exceptionally well this season. Why would we go into panic mode over what the other teams have done, and trade him now that he is finally doing what we thought he could do? You're premise of "let's trade Barry's expiring contract because he is injured and likely done..." is kind of rash.
Besides, Shaq is still a roll of the dice at this point, and who knows whether or not Bynum can return to his pre-injury level before the playoffs roll around because 1) he's coming back from a knee injury, 2) he still has to mesh with Pau, and 3) Oberto seems to have gotten in his head.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 02-14-2008 at 10:49 PM.
The thing that is weakest right now is the interior D. I have faith in our perimeter D, its the interior D that isn't great. We aren't as good as we have been in the past because once we lock down the perimeter, the players just do pick and rolls, draw Duncan out, and then attack the rim with NO shot blocker there. We NEED someone besides Duncan that can be a defensive force. Kurt Thomas would provide that, he did a damn good job of it last year, although I never would have admitted that during the series
The thing that is weakest right now is the interior D. I have faith in our perimeter D, its the interior D that isn't great. We aren't as good as we have been in the past because once we lock down the perimeter, the players just do pick and rolls, draw Duncan out, and then attack the rim with NO shot blocker there. We NEED someone besides Duncan that can be a defensive force. Kurt Thomas would provide that, he did a damn good job of it last year, although I never would have admitted that during the series
Bring in Ian Mahinmi....
Yeah, right. Pop won't even let him sniff the court in the playoffs. Not to mention he is FAR from ready. Don't get me wrong, I want young talent, but you can't bring them in after them spending the majority of the season in and out of the D-League, lacking significant REGULAR SEASON experience. It just doesn't work. And judging from others' posts on here and from what I saw with the little time he played, I don't think he's ready.
The thing that is weakest right now is the interior D. I have faith in our perimeter D, its the interior D that isn't great. We aren't as good as we have been in the past because once we lock down the perimeter, the players just do pick and rolls, draw Duncan out, and then attack the rim with NO shot blocker there. We NEED someone besides Duncan that can be a defensive force. Kurt Thomas would provide that, he did a damn good job of it last year, although I never would have admitted that during the series
Tim ate him alive during the playoffs last year.
That's because he's Tim ing Duncan. He's the greatest power forward of all time. Thomas made him work, nothing came easy for Duncan in that series. He's just that ing good. Thomas isn't some amazing player that's the Michael Jordan of power forwards, but he can guard people. He can make them work. I want him to make Shaq work. I want him to make Gasol/Bynum work. I want him to make Garnett work. That's the best way to try and stop the best, is to make them work. He's a good, smart, veteran defender too. He's not the best shot blocker but he can block shots more than Oberto. He's an excellent rebounder too.
Watch game 4 again.Tim ate him alive during the playoffs last year.
Watch game 2 again.
Watch game 5 again
Thomas was a stud in that series.
is it a crime to get dominated by the best player at that position? Is bowen a bad defender because Kobe goes off on him?
TPark...Are you listening.
I've had a calf tear. It feels like a charlie horse. It remains sore for maybe 1 to 2 weeks. From what I was told, it isn't a very serious injury. You just need time to recover. With bad knees, that's entirely different. Joint issues are usually long-term.
I could definitely see an aurgument of Thomas being more injury prone than Barry. There have got to be better deals out there than trading Barry/Elson for Thomas. If not, then I would seriously suggest standing pat, bringing in D-Rob and hopefully some of that einstien IQ will rub off on Elson.
They despirately need to make a big trade. a HUGE trade!
A in MEN...
No he didn't.... The Mavericks gave them a le. By Choking Big Time. The reality is that Shaq should have left Miami without fulfilling his promise to bring a championship to the franchise.Looking at teams like Miami we can see what happens when a team makes a deal that only prepares them for 1 or 2 future seasons. Sure Shaq got them a le, but that team is now worse off then they were before the trade.
Sup jag
my god that was funny.
TIM was a STUD in that series... Don't confuse it. Thomas was ok. He played solid D, but nothing AMAZING like you all seem to remember. Check the stats...
2007 Western Conference semifinals:
Tim's stats
Game 1
12-24, 16 rebs, 3 blks, 33 points.
Game 2
12-20, 11 rebs, 2 blks, 29 points.
Game 3
12-19, 19 rebs, 3 blks, 33 points.
Game 4
9-14, 11 rebs, 3 blks, 21 points.
Game 5
7-14, 12 rebs, 5 blks, 21 points.
Game 6
11-19, 13 rebs, 9 blks, 24 points.
AVERAGES:
per game: 57% shooting, 13.66 rebs, 4.16 blks, 26.8 pts
Kurt Thomas (not a stud)
Game 1
2 rebs, 1 stl, 0 blks
Game 2
4 rebs, 3 stl, 0 blks
Game 3
12 rebs, 1 stl, 3 blks
Game 4
5 reb, 0 stl, 2 blk
Game 5
12 reb, 0stl, 2 blk
Game 6
3 reb, 0 stl, 0 blk
AVERAGES:
per game: 6.33 reb, .833 stl, 1.16 blks
I watched every minute of that series... Kurt played alright, but nothing to be worshiping him about. He was no stud by any means. I even remember listening to the announcers spout the bs all series long, and it was making me sick...
He was able to guard Duncan with no help keeping Stoudamire out of foul trouble.
But keep hating on a good defensive center.
I don't know why you think hes better than Francisco freakin Elson.
I never said elson was better...
and I gave him as much props as he deserves... he did alright.
I just don't think HE helps us as much as a healthy Barry can... All things considered.
I'd rather take our chances with Fab and Francisco, while sticking to our guns, keeping our chemistry intact, and using Barry to be that other offensive spark off the bench then taking our chances with Kurt Thomas and the question marks involved in that trade.
Will he learn our defensive scheme in time?
Will he mesh with Duncan?
Is he worth the cash, and another draft pick?
Will we miss Barry's spark and sharp shooting?
I don't know... you don't know either. I'd rather stick with what we've got.
Interestingly enough... 2 of the four games where thomas played over 26 minutes... amare WAS in foul trouble (games 3 and 4). One of those four games Amare didn't play (game 5).
So he actually only helped keep amare out of foul trouble in one game.
(game 2)
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