Tony and Manu are better.
I would disagree. Chauncey and Rip are better defenders and sometimes we forget to look on that side. Offensively I would give the edge to SA because they have two very good penetrators. Chauncey and Rip are better shooters and in the post, but SA's penetration is very good.
Chauncey and Rip are overrated as defenders.
Thats why it kinda evens out, because Manu and Parker or more penetrate and finsih or dish, and Chauncey and Rip I'd say are more of a jumpshooting tandem, but Ginobili and Parker also have jumpshooting in their arsenal, as well as Billups and Hamilton have the ability to penetrate and finish or dish.
We need a Finals rematch.
Chauncey is, but not Rip. Rip has never made an all defensive team even though he is better at defense than Chauncey. Even if they are overrated I think our backcourt is better defensively than San Antonio's. It evens out though because SA's penetration can drive opponents crazy.
Ok I love Manu, but the part of his game I have problem with is his high risk - low reward plays.. when he tries crazy passes like no - look through 3 defenders to give someone a look at a long outside jumper, behind the back dribbles at half-court and he loses the ball when he could just go to his other side, or overplays on defense where he goes for the steal and leave an open lane or leave his man who then get a easy layup... High risk- high reward I can live with, but when he forces a turnover when even if he was successful the pass would be in a bad spot sucks.
I think Manu is a better defender than Rip. And, I think Chauncey is slow laterally on defense. I wouldn't agree that Chauncey and Rip are better defenders.
I remember MJ and Cassell would do that all the time, and I'd later see Kobe and Wade do it, (Wade would even be guilty of getting the defender up and creating contact laterally)
but now I've seen the officials actually putting an effort into calling whether the jumpshooter is going into the defenders space.
Didn't they change the rule this year, so that now a defender can jump straight up and is en led to that space, si there is no foul.
Manu is a very good player. Not quite as talented as some, but plays with as much heart and determination as anyone in the league, and thats all you can ask of any player, no matter their talent. Heart and determination is something you cannot coach, teach, etc... its just part of their personality. While his flopping gets on my nerves, and I think some spurs fans here overrate him by saying that he is on the level of Kobe, Lebron, Wade, etc... he's a fantastic player, and a perfect #2 guy to have, and is clutch as .
seconded. I so wish that he was the signing rather than Quentin Richardson that 04-05 offseason. Suns spent themselves out of his range because they outbid themselves for Nash, but I know Manu was on the Suns radar and that he was interested.
His flopping annoys me, but I hate flopping no matter who it is.
To me Manu is the type of player that leaves absolutely everything on the court and taking no plays off. And, those types of players I really love watching. If I could make up a team of those types of players, despite varying degrees of talent level of each player, that would be my ideal team.
Allen Iverson
Manu Ginobili
Gerald Wallace
Kevin Garnett
David Lee
At least Ginobili cut his hair, when he had long hair and it flailed all over the place it really helped sell his flops.
good choices
The NBA all-hustle team perhaps
I agree. I'm all about slashers who attack the rim with reckless abandon. I loved watching Zeke, KJ and Tim Hardaway in the lane. A part of me is surprised Iverson has lasted this long. I can't believe he's never broken down the way slashers in the past have.
I'd love to see Manu in a system that allows him the freedom to just play. He'd be a bit out of control, but he'd be so much fun to watch.
Manu is under-appreciated even amongst his own fans.
He's twice the player Tony Parker is.
four times the player.
I would take Chauncey over Parker any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Tony has the age thing going for him, but we're built to win now anyways, and Chauncey is more a playmaker and can bang up with bigger PGs in the league.
Plus he has won a championship already, so he knows what it takes.
Chauncey Billups and Manu Ginobili on the same backcourt would be unbelievable.
Rather it be on the Pistons though.
Ginobili plays with the eye of the tiger.
Parker's just a chump.
Parker's gone from overrated to underrated in one season.
After Nash and Paul, I think I'd take Parker. His combination of mid-range jumper, fearless slashing, high percentage shooting and quickness make him a mismatch against everyone. He could certainly be a bit more unselfish, but with him you have a fastbreak every time he touches the ball and with his percentage from the field, you know when he shoots it's got a great shot of going in.
And yes, I'd take Parker right now over Kidd.
I think Parker is great. But, I'd probably take Baron Davis and Deron Williams over him right now. It's a toss-up between him and Chauncey and would largely depend on what style of play a team has as to which would fit better.
Seconded!
I could be swayed to take Davis over him. He's still a chucker, an issue I have with Billups, but I think Davis is the better chucker and a better all around player.
I like Billups, but i just wouldn't want him as my PG.
EDIT: Williams is a very good PG, but I would rather have Parker for all the reasons mentioned. When healthy, there may not be a tougher PG to defend one-on-one. Parker is a beast. I can't believe he can be as good as he is once he gets into the lane. None of the other PGs mentioned, save for maybe Davis, have what Parker has in the paint.
While I would like my PG to shoot a good percentage from three, Parker is so efficient at what he does, that his limited range beyond 18 feet doesn't even bother me. Some of the PGs mentioned attempt to demoralize and opponent by hitting threes in their faces. Parker just demoralizes you by constantly taking it to you every possession. He's relentless at attacking the paint. I honestly believe he's the toughest PG to defend in the League.
If you think Billups is a chucker, you haven't seen many Pistons games the last three years or you only see highlights of games where he has to take over to help his team win. He's far from a chucker. There will be plenty of games where he'll take 5-8 shot attempts the entire game. He's nowhere near a chucker. Now whether you think he's better than Parker or Davis or any other point guard, that's up for debate. I personally don't think Chauncey is a top 5 point guard in the league. But, he's not a chucker.
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