View Poll Results: Is howards "superman dunk" a dunk?

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    I don't care, I also prefer his first dunk.

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    I'm sorry to call you an old man, Shoog



    And yea, that was a dunk. He threw it hard and even you could hear the sound of a rim. SLAM!

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    When I watched I didn't think it was a real dunk, but after reading some dunk definitions here, I think it could be considered a dunk.
    But JamStone has a good point:
    D12's hands were never above the rim on the Superman attempt. He didn't have the distance to get his hand over the rim. At some point in his flight, his hands were above "the height" of the rim, but not directly above the rim itself. His hand was several inches short of reaching the rim and that's why he threw the ball in. The attempt was amazing in itself. And, arguing semantics does nothing if you want to go by the literal meaning of a dunk. Technically, you can argue it was a dunk. But, I think it's generally agreed that a dunk would consist of one or both hands touching or grabbing the rim as the ball is put through the hoop. If a 7 footer shoots a baby hook in the lane where his hand is above the height of the rim but doesn't come close to touching the rim, would most people consider that a dunk?
    I have to agree with this, but I still think that that "super throw down / dunk" was really impressive, even if it wasn't a legitimate dunk. And I'm happy with the results, Howard deserved to win.

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    throw down. he never touched the rim

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    If you still want to contest that with him, than you'd have to give another do ented definition of a dunk which explicitly states that rim-grabbing is mandatory.
    Why should I? his the one alleging...Anyone who alleges has the duty to prove his point. Otherwise the conventional and common meaning stays. Ask any dumbass lawyer.

    I just commented on his definition ( and I didn't ask him to give that definition) and if he can't argue his way out of that , then there is no point for me to continue this discussion. Don't go lawyering for him.


    A typical dunk has the dunker release the ball into the basket right before grabbing onto the rim, which would fulfill the 'held above the rim' condition.
    The point is, he still has to hold the rim, before it can be considered a dunk. The release is not contested. It's the necessity of holding the rim. Don't go away from the issues my dear friend.

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    Green sold out on his last dunk anyways.

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    Dunk contest is all about fun so DH throw down qualifies !

    And his last one was just amazing.

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    Why should I? his the one alleging...Anyone who alleges has the duty to prove his point. Otherwise the conventional and common meaning stays. Ask any dumbass lawyer.

    I just commented on his definition ( and I didn't ask him to give that definition) and if he can't argue his way out of that , then there is no point for me to continue this discussion. Don't go lawyering for him.




    The point is, he still has to hold the rim, before it can be considered a dunk. The release is not contested. It's the necessity of holding the rim. Don't go away from the issues my dear friend.

    A typical dunk, yes. But his dunk fits the definition. Holding the dunk is not a requirement. Quit getting your panties in a knot over this. It ain't a big deal. Enjoy the entertainment.

    N.B.: I used the following definition.

    Oxford Dictionary:
    dunk - noun, basketball - a shot downward into the basket with the hands above the rim.

    Edit: For that matter, isn't the purpose of the All-Star Dunk Contest to find the most creative, hence the most atypical, dunks?

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    I thought it was a dunk.


    And I also thought that GG's shoeless dunk was very underrated. And Daryl Dawkins is a jackass for knocking his shoes to the floor. Take them and throw them in the crowd to give to a fan, but don't disrespect the guy on national TV like that.

    I hope to see them next year, and let both of them try the 13 foot rim.

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    I thought it was a dunk.


    And I also thought that GG's shoeless dunk was very underrated. And Daryl Dawkins is a jackass for knocking his shoes to the floor. Take them and throw them in the crowd to give to a fan, but don't disrespect the guy on national TV like that.

    I hope to see them next year, and let both of them try the 13 foot rim.
    Green disrespected Dawkins by leaving his shoes there. As if Dawkins wants his scrub-ass shoes. The best option for Green was to give to a fan himself. (If I am not mistaken, Green is the same idiot who is demanding a trade from the T-wolves with his 5ppg).

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    On a side note did you see how pissed Dawkins and Wilkins were when Green autographed his shoes and sat them in front of those guys? 'Nique give the look like "you have to be sh!tting me" and then Dawkins knocked the shoes off the table. I thought that was very disrespectful by Green.

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    Why should I? his the one alleging...Anyone who alleges has the duty to prove his point. Otherwise the conventional and common meaning stays. Ask any dumbass lawyer.

    I just commented on his definition ( and I didn't ask him to give that definition) and if he can't argue his way out of that , then there is no point for me to continue this discussion. Don't go lawyering for him.




    The point is, he still has to hold the rim, before it can be considered a dunk. The release is not contested. It's the necessity of holding the rim. Don't go away from the issues my dear friend.
    The main point I was making was that 'held above the rim' was not the same as 'holding on to or touching the rim', as you were trying to argue previously. You were trying to use the definition of a dunk ShoogarBear provided as proof that Howard's Superman was not a dunk, but according to that definition, there is no explicit reference to 'holding on to or touching the rim'.

    Personally, I think the judges should have asked Howard to redo that performance, based on the replay. I'm just saying you were going about your counterargument in the wrong way.

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    Felt bad for Gerald Green.

    His Bday cake one was actually really good...don't know why people didn't like it.

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    Felt bad for Gerald Green.

    His Bday cake one was actually really good...don't know why people didn't like it.
    One whole year of hearing how Howard was robbed previously didn't help.

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    The Birthday Cake was the second best dunk of the night. That should have been 10s all around.

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    The Birthday Cake was the second best dunk of the night. That should have been 10s all around.
    Seriously...can't believe someone gave him an 8 for that!

    His shoe-less one was good too, people don't realize how hard that is to actually do....

    You knew though that Howard was gonna win it this year, especially after listening to everyone that he was robbed last year

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    Unfortunately for you I do. And you might also understand, if you only know how to read.

    your definition says DUNK -a shot in which a player near the basket jumps with the ball and attempts to thrust it through the basket with one hand or both hands held above the rim.

    THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, but this held means to hold, to touch the rim. I don't know how you would consider another way of doing it. So before bragging, read carefully. That's why your definition never failed to mention "held" and "rim".
    Above the rim != over the rim. He released the shot above the rim.

    Apparently this is rocket science for some.

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    His shoe-less one was good too, people don't realize how hard that is to actually do....
    You sound like you've been trying to practice it.

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    Felt bad for Gerald Green.

    His Bday cake one was actually really good...don't know why people didn't like it.
    Barkley was funny and correct when he said the kid needed to get more playing time in Minnesota, and how he had too much time on his hands what with the ladders and junk.


    Green disrespected Dawkins by leaving his shoes there. As if Dawkins wants his scrub-ass shoes. The best option for Green was to give to a fan himself. (If I am not mistaken, Green is the same idiot who is demanding a trade from the T-wolves with his 5ppg).
    I noticed he took off and signed his shoes on the table, but I didn't realize he gave it to Dr. J and the other judge, I thought he was signing it for a fan or something, only later did the camera show them knocked them off from the judges table. What a lame kid.

    Seemed like he was the only one taking the dunk contest seriously, since he wasn't very enthusiastic with his compe ors dunk while everyone else was jumping in the building.

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    Is Howard's "super man dunk" considered as a dunk?

    I think he didn't even touch the rim on that one. Fortunately for him the crowd was going crazy over his superman costume that they hardly looked over his dunk. I think he should be disqualified for that. Green got rob of the trophy.
    you don't have to touch the rim to dunk...that's absurd.

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    The Birthday Cake was the second best dunk of the night. That should have been 10s all around.
    just for the idea?

    anyone could do pull that dunk off.

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    Shaq is in the lane 3 feet away from the rim shoots a lazy baby hook where his hand is above the rim and he's shooting the hook downward. His hand is a foot away from the rim and never touches the rim. He's shooting the ball down through the hoop. His hand is above the rim. Dunk?

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    I felt so sorry for Green. Everyone knew Howard won it but we had to sit there for ten minutes finalizing it.

    I agree the birthday cake dunk was the second best of the night. My favorite was Howard's bounce-it-off-the-backboard-with-one-hand-and-dunk-it-with-the-other. Very much an NBA Jam style dunk, as the announcers said.

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    The Birthday Cake was the second best dunk of the night. That should have been 10s all around.
    Very impressive, but if was able to take a bite out of the cupcake while dunking, he would have had all tens!

    Dwight deserved to win.

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    Shaq is in the lane 3 feet away from the rim shoots a lazy baby hook where his hand is above the rim and he's shooting the hook downward. His hand is a foot away from the rim and never touches the rim. He's shooting the ball down through the hoop. His hand is above the rim. Dunk?
    Trick question! Shaq can't get his hands above the rim anymore... unless there's a twinkie at the back of the rim... then maybe.


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