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Spurs receive
Mike Miller
Grizzlies receive
Brent Barry
Francisco Elson
Future 1st round pick
As every year but they FAIL!
Spurs receive
Mike Miller
Grizzlies receive
Brent Barry
Francisco Elson
Future 1st round pick
Quit smoking that dude!!!
You are just stupid !!!
wtf?
What exactly is it the Spurs have FAILED at, in your opinion?
at Louis changing his spelling at the last minute.
Spurs receive
Wally Szczerbiak
Johan Petro
Sonics receive
Brent Barry
Francisco Elson
Matt Bonner
figured i might as well weigh in on all the trades:
the first seattle trade is conceivable. they have the depth up front to move KT for next to nothing. and while they do like what he brings, they may wish to give him what he wants, and move him to a contender. they arent very high on wilkens (the fan base really hates him), so his inclusion wouldnt be unheard of. not sure they want bonner, nor a 2nd round pick (i think that have something like 6 2nd round picks in the next 2 years).
the indiana trade is just wrong. pacers wouldnt move foster for barry alone, so why would they include rush and williams for no reason? they have no real need to move foster at a bargain price right now. barry+1st for foster straight up has a much better chance to happen.
the clipper trade isnt inconceivable either, just not likely. expirings + 1st would be low value on maggette, and the clippers dont seem to be looking to break this team apart just yet. throwing in ross just seems greedy. they may just look to hold onto maggettes bird rights, and work with him in the offseason if he really wants to move, especially considering the year he is having.
both bulls trades are just silly. unless they are getting back a lottery pick/talent, they arent moving thomas. period. only sam "stupid" smith has even entertained the idea of moving thomas in a dump.
i dont like the bucks trade from the spurs side, but i think its within reason for the bucks. not sure what kind of pick they would be willing to include, but i doubt they have any interest in moving any future 1st, even to dump simmons.
the knicks trade is again silly. david lee is going nowhere, especially for that package.
the kings packages are somewhat within reason, but i see issues on both those moves. the kings value artest more than that package. if they arent getting to dump KT, they are going to want near full value for artest, or they will simply hope to keep his bird rights to work a s&t with in the summer (or just keep him themselves). and im not sure the spurs would be looking to include a future 1st for miller, and i dont think the kings move him for less (especially if they arent getting all expirings). but the bibby trade does skew thing more to the spurs favor.
the memphis deal is possible, if memphis is really going with the full fire sale. still probably needs a bit more to memphis (ian?) to get it done, unless we take on cardinal. but it its still a viable offer compared to what other teams would be offering (miami, orlando, denver, nj). probably not the best offer, but a decent starting point.
the second seattle trade is probably a no from both sides. seattle isnt looking to move petro for nothing (no picks, no prospects), and the spurs may balk at taking on wally-worlds deal. probably a no from seattle before its a no from sa.
Beno for Elson.
I think where Smith gets this is of course the obivious, Elson is getting minimal playing time coupled with an expiring contract. Another GM (since the Spurs FO is CIA) likely mentioned Elson's availability to Smith so he runs with it. The other source probably has had conversations with the Spurs who did make it known they not only would consider trades involving Elson but would be a willing partner in three (or more) way deals that Elson's contract could be used to help facilitate a major trade.
My gut, and that is all it is, feeling is the Spurs are not the aggressor at this time but are being very accomodating in working with others if they can improve their situation. Bottomline, as much as we all would like Mike Miller or Kurt Thomas, I don't think it's going to happen.
Yes
OMG yes
holt full the trigger now.
This is the kind of player the spurs need a great D player with O skills
I don't want to lose Barry
Not advocating an Artest trade, but as for Barry... well, I don't think you can plan for him playing again this year. He looks toast with that recurring injury.
A lot of you guys forget how Barry goes MIA during playoffs.
10-12 weeks recovery time needed for that type of injury. however, once he recovers he should be fine.
Because he didn't reactivate it moments after he returned last time...
Even if he returns, he'd need to work his way back into the rotation. I don't think so.
The issue with a prospective Artest trade is not Barry's physical health but rather Artest's mental health. A focused Artest would make the Spurs all but a lock for #5. Sideshow Ron would F up the program.
Sideshow Ron could be sidelined a bit, but it would be tough to deal with. I admit some appreciation for the 'noble experiment', however, as a focused Artest - as he might be this year (but not next) - would be dynamite.
But we consider him to be a rational human being, here, instead of wholly erratic.
Of course, the propensity for Sideshow Ron to show up is why his price is that low.
How weird that the Spurs could have had Artest a while back, Steve Smith for Rons Mercer and Artest.
The Spurs have taken on somewhat large salaries before when it's suited other purposes (ie Mercer) without expecting anything from that player. Pop's not exactly the kind of coach who will put up with a moron for long though.
Another interesting name in Sacramento is Brad Miller.
artest for barry/elson/pick sounds good to me. he may be a mental case but i think for a ring he can change. with duncan getting most of the shaq duty artest can give us that offense we need when the big shaqtus is pounding on tim.
Spurs receive
Antonio Daniels
Brendan Haywood
Wizards receive
Brent Barry
Francisco Elson
Matt Bonner
Future 1st round pick
Spurs receive
Bobby Simmons
Charlie Villanueva
Bucks receive
Brent Barry
Francisco Elson
Matt Bonner
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