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I think Peewee and I should enter into a business venture.
Bang Autobus.
I like how you're avoiding the question.
It's nice how you stick with your principles.
I think Peewee and I should enter into a business venture.
Bang Autobus.
I could provide the fine chicks from UTSA.
Viva la taco!
First of all Pee Wee, getting political asylum doesn't mean automatic U.S. Citizenship.
People that are granted political asylum can be from any country where they are they are unable/unwilling to return because of well-founded fear of persecution. One year after they have been granted aslyum and been in the United States, they can then apply for permanent residency status. After that, they can then apply for U.S. Citizenship.
I'm not sure where you got automatic "citizenship" or why you assumed that Africans can't get political asylum the same as Cubans. If you are being persecuted in any country, you can apply for asylum.
I don't want to go back and read all the way thru again but I think Peewee said political asylum=residency, not citizenship.
This is him questioning the difference between how we treat Africans and Cubans.
I'm not dumb and didn't just make it up, I read the thread.
I have always understood that Cubans are granted either residency or citizenship. I believe I got that from one of my Political Science courses.
However, it's been a while since I was in college. I worked with a Cuban guy back when I was teaching and he told me that all Cubans need to do is to touch American soil and they're granted either residency or citizenship, I don't recall wich it was, which is why they are turned away when they are found in the Gulf of Mexico.
I may have it wrong, and you appear to be telling me that I have it wrong, but that's what I was told.
However, when Elian Gonzalez of Cuba is being treated like the second coming of Christ by the American media and Jose Ramirez of Mexico is instantly labeled as an "alien" by the same media . . . it just shows one is given preferred treatment over the other.
It can be argued that we treat Africans differently than we treat Cubans. I don't think we take in as many Africans than we have taken in Cubans. I don't have the data to back this up, so it's just my opinion. But I believe that if we did have the numbers to show for it, you would see that there is a real disparity there.
They are granted political asylum.
Of course we take in more Cubans because more apply for political asylum because they are geographically closer. You have to apply for aslyum at a port of entry. Much easier for Cubans.
"In order to provide aid to recently arrived Cuban immigrants, the United States Congress passed the Cuban Adjustment Act in 1966. The Cuban Refugee Program provided more than $1.3 billion of direct financial assistance. They also were eligible for public assistance, Medicare, free English courses, scholarships, and low interest college loans."
Mexicans haven't gotten this type of treatment.
Africans haven't gotten this type of treatment.
You're right about the asylum:
"Before the 1980s, all refugees from Cuba were welcomed into the United States as political refugees. This changed in the 1990s so that only Cubans who reach U.S. soil are granted refuge under the "wet feet, dry feet policy"."
It says that they are "granted refuge".
Is it automatic?
That's my question.
"In a dramatic turnabout of U.S. immigration policy toward Cuba, the Clinton administration announced Tuesday that the United States will grant entry to most of the 21,000 Cuban boat people at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, but will forcibly return future refugees intercepted at sea.
The decision reflects the end of a decades-old policy that gave Cubans special treatment by allowing them to bypass standard asylum procedures."
Refugee status isn't residency or citizenship. It's probably automatic (I don't know for sure) because all Cubans are under the persecution of a communist regime. All Mexicans aren't. But if a Mexican, African, or I guess even a Canadian can show they are being persecuted in their country they can get refugee/asylum status.
Of course. Consider the state of their country. I don't know why you are comparing it to Mexico.
From what I can remember, if a Cuban (and Haitans IIRC) make landfall (Dry-Foot) then they are automatically granted a green card.
That's my point. Anyone who comes to a port of entry and is being persecuted can become a refugee and apply for asylum. It's obviously much more difficult for Africans to apply. And most Mexicans aren't being persecuted (by US government standards).
You're right. I was wrong about the residency/citizenship.
But, if fleeing a communist regime or another repressing government is all it takes, why don't we streamline the process for others.
The Mexican government isn't a benevolent government, far from it. And, there are many African nations that repress their people. Why don't we streamline the process for them too?
I'm not sure what else you want to do to streamline it. Do you want Africans to be able to apply by phone or online? They have to get here first.
True, Mexico isn't as bad. But, it's not paradise either. The only reason that the Cubans are given special treatment is that the U.S. government wants to piss Castro off. There's no other reason.
We should have been taking in the same amount of Vietnamese, Chinese, and Russians if that were so important to us.
I'm not sure you are getting the geographical factor. You apply for asylum at a U.S. port of entry. So, Chinese and Africans can't just swim over.
But, when they do get here, are they offered this:
"The decision reflects the end of a decades-old policy that gave Cubans special treatment by allowing them to bypass standard asylum procedures."
I have family members that work for Immigration. They tell me they ship Chinese and Africans back EVERY FREAKING DAY. These are people fleeing either communist regimes or extremely repressive governments. They aren't allowed to "bypass standard asylum procedures" like Cubans have for decades.
Yes I read that too. But immediately above that post I also read:
Can Africans from politcally oppressive governments just show up on American soil and automatically be given residency?
I don't think I in any way implied that you are dumb or making things up.
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