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I agree man except with the comments about Kidd not making players better. I feel all things Devin does overall equals to Kidd's one dimensional game (though a great dimension to have). To add Diop and picks is a steal for New Jersey.
Interestingly the Mavs completed the deal that the Spurs attempted to do five years ago.
The Spurs unanswered prayer turned out to be a blessing. We'll see what happens with the Mavs.
If I'm a Mavs fan my only fear is that my team has suddenly gotten a lot older and less explosive. Similar to Phoenix, they're banking on winning a le in the next year or two by signing an aging superstar.
But anyone who saw Kidd running the show for the U.S. in international compe ion last summer knows how well he can run a team. He's a winner with a high basketball IQ. The Mavs have always had talent, but little leadership beyond AJ. They suddenly have that leader on the floor. It should be interesting.
I agree man except with the comments about Kidd not making players better. I feel all things Devin does overall equals to Kidd's one dimensional game (though a great dimension to have). To add Diop and picks is a steal for New Jersey.
Yes I exaggerated, but if you look at what the Mavs have at PF/C the list is:
Malik Allen (I don't think he will provide too much, but he might be a surprise)
Dampier (Out of this list he is the only one who is a "paint" player)
Dirk (Dirk is a unique 7 footer who cashes J's rather than playing inside)
Brandon Bass (He is very good for the Mavs, but he is not really a "big" man either)
I think Dallas can make it work, but it might be tough to go through Tim Duncan and Shaq without a little more help. We will see.
Let's put it this way. The Mavs have owned the Rockets for about 3 years now. They've beaten them every way--blowouts, coming back from 20 down, even bigger blowouts, etc. And it's about to get worse for your boys.I just don't see the Mavs being better with Jason Kidd. Devin Harris is younger ,faster, a better defender,shooter, penetrator, and a of a lot cheaper. Jason is a better floor general, but thats it. I hated playing the Mavs because of Devin more than anyone else. The havoc he would create for our defense would always be a ing nuisance, and he was traded away for what? A wifebeating old man whos' teams haven't done anything in 5 or 6 years.It just does not make sense. This move makes me hate Avery Johnson a little more.
Oh, one more Question. When has Jason kidd ever made the players around him any better? I'll bet his ex-Net teammates can answer that.This was just bad buisness.
I can't agree or disagree with you all i can say is time will tell. From a defensive standpoint we would much rather see Jason Kidd.
Kidd's hitting about 37% of his shots, which according to Joumana is also coincidentally the percentage of shots that he throws at Joumana that hit.
Yeah dude, we get it. Nice bit.
And that's what Kidd used to be....
It is amazing to me how people can still see a 35 36 year old player, as if he were still in his heyday. Kidd used to be a top player. Shaq used to be a top player. Now they are going to have to face guys that are almost as good now, as they were 10 12 14 years ago. Guys that are bigger, stronger, and more athletic than they were in their prime. Shaq facing the Bynums, Howards, Odens of the league. Kidd trying to guard the Pauls, the Parkers, even the Harrises of the league. Faster, quicker, still probably not even in their prime. Kidd may have two busted ankles before the season is over. Well, that is if he even tries to guard these guys.
Many NBA fans live on the past reputation of these players. They fail to see that after years of abusing their bodies and father time stealing a step here and a step there, these guys are semi s s of their former selves.
^Partially true, but Kidd is still a top 3 point guard in this league regardless of age. No one's saying he's the 2nd coming of Magic Johnson, just a good point guard who will benefit the Mavs for probably the next two years before serious decline.
I like Kidd on the Mavs.....this year and maybe next.
The whole advanced age thing is overrated. You never know until you see a motivated Shaq or Kidd. And as for Kidd, he's still a triple double threat which I say is pretty damn good for his "age". Speaking of age, isn't Nash only 1 or 2 years younger but he seems to be getting on quite well.
And the Nashes, Pauls, Williams etc torch everyone on any given day. Including Devin Harris. I don't get where all of a sudden he has this defensive lockdown reputation. He did well against Parker but I do remember Baron Davis splooging all over him.
Devin may not be able to play for the Nets for 1-2 weeks still. If the Mavs didn't make that trade, they might have fallen out of the playoffs waiting for Harris to heal.
you're right, he's awful. PG's that nearly average a triple-double are a dime a dozen.
Kidd is a much better floor general than Devin Harris, but he can't replace Devins' speed,defense, or shooting. Devin Harris got a lot of teams in early foul with that speed. That alone is going to make it a little harder for the mavs. The proof is how they struggled these past two weeks without him. A lot of the Mavs sucsess came from Devin causing defenses to collapse because he was past their point guard and in the paint. He was the slasher for that team and now that dynamic is dramatically weaker. I could be wrong, but I just don't feel I am. Kidd would be great for a team like LA but not for Dallas. They need some speed.
Oh yeah!! By Devin Harris getting teams in early foul trouble it allowed his teammates to be more aggresive in order to get to the line. In other words making them better!!!
You do know that the mavs were one of the slowest teams with Harris right? Harris fast but the Mavs offense was one of the slowest in the league.
Think about what you just wrote. Dallas was already slow so they shipped the fastest thing they had away to get better. OOOOOKKKKKK!!!!
what does it matter how physically fast Harris was when mentally he was slower than the rest of the guys. Avery had to call out plays every time down the court and tell him exactly what to do with it.
maybe if you actually knew about this team your opinion wouldn't sound completely re ed.
please stop making an argument Rocket fan you're making yourself look like an even bigger dumbass than what seemed possible.
Its their iso offense that they run you idiot. Again, please stop pretending like you know anything about basketball besides Devin Harris' .
I already know AJ's plan against any team with a dominant big man.
double team and make everyone else beat you. The mavericks are going to look to run and set pick n rolls with dirk and kidd, and on defense theyre simply going to fill the lane and double whoever's posting up.
Against shaq or gasol, it might work. sadly, it wont work against duncan -- not only is he probably the best passer out of doubleteams, hes able to score over them. and parker/manu slicing through the lane for some easy ones against their less-than-capable mavericks defenders is going to be a ball.
You could say the same about the other two (gasol and shaq) but shaq isnt going to be doubled as vigorously because hes going to be tired and wanting to pass on a high octane offense like phoenix's. Gasol isnt going to get the ball nearly as much in the post and when he does get doubled, hes going to give it to bryant.
additionally, the man on man talent is dismal at best. dirk probably wont guard tim much unless fouls force him to. that leaves dampier to do the dirty stuff down low, and we all know how tim schools him pretty much every time they face eachother on the court. Hes also been known as having foul trouble consistently, so whatever.
who does that leave? some no name scrubs off the bench who get 8 mins a night in a blowout? to guard the best power forward ever to play the game?
the mavs should of thought twice about diop, Im telling you.
edit: part in bold is sarcasm before mavs fans wet their pants over calling brandon bass and malik allen no name scrubs, but it still applies
Your whiny reaction tells me everything I need to know about how you REALLY feel about this trade.One more thing I feel Harris gave the Rockets much more trouble than you seem to believe. I can't wait to play your elite team again.
Look what we have here. Another ignorant juvenile.We will get to see your superior basketball knowledge very soon so don't say stupid things you might regret.
The Franchise is right. Harris will be missed as I believe this team is better off with a player like Harris than Kidd at 35. Terry is the worst point guard by far of those 3. He needs to be shipped as the offense is incredibly stagnant with him as point guard.
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