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He doesn't count because he was drafted.
Now imagine that multiplied by 10 years.
That being said. You are being BORING! Same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, etc.
He doesn't count because he was drafted.
He doesn't. The Spurs play for Manu.
No headband. No cornrows. No tattoos. He doesn't count.
Well, there's that.
It's easy to forget about Manu, I guess. He's rarely done anything spectacular for the Spurs and he's never made a difference when it mattered most.
(that's all sarcasm)
Manu Ginobili doesn't count because he's never been suspended for 80% of a season, or thrown objects, or flicked off his own bench, etc...Plus he speaks Spanish. Only the help does that in Connecticut.
Well, and it seems apparent that a guy like Jeff McInnis still doesn't think that Manu could actually be any good. There's an instant credibility hit.
Be honest now, you enjoy it.
It takes two to argue and I don't see you staying away.
You two should do stand up!
Do you think the Spurs have enough to stand pat and prevail despite all the rivals' trades?
Yes. But I'd like to see them get a rebounding big man if it doesn't cost any part of the core.
I realize I should stay with only what's written in this thread, but one thing that goes beyond this particular thread is bothering me: I thought this whole slew of threads about a trade started from the concern that the Spurs wouldn't be able to matchup with the Lakers front line of Gasol and Bynum or the Suns front line of Amare and Shaq. Now, suddenly, the greater need is a guy like Artest. I wonder how, exactly, does Artest do anything to make you feel better about those matchups?
I think we need to collect some money and buy GW one of this:
It comes automatically preprogrammed to start a new thread in ST.com whenever it's pushed.
He has his own album, he's from NY, and Ghost would fellate him if given the opportunity. That's the impetus for this deal.
Fair answer and fair question.
I agree and have endorsed the K. Thomas trade scenario, although I would like to actually bring in more of a shot-blocking big man if at all possible for Elson/Barry/1st rounder.
However, while Artest does not fill the need for a starting-quality PF/C, my eyes grow wide any time the Spurs can snag a star-quality player, while keeping the Big Three in tact. I think Artest's aggregate skills could make up for the obvious hole at PF/C.
And priority #2 should be the swingman spot. Bowen's slowing, Finley and Barry are basically 3-point gunners now and Udoku can't be trusted yet in a big spot.
As I've said before, the beauty of the Artest idea is that he'll be on Pop's short leash, we're not giving up a ton for him and won't be locked in beyond this season if he does not work out.
My whole thesis is that I would not sweat the other teams' acquisition as much if I did not think that we finally got some breaks in the playoffs last year (a healthy Spurs team, no Mavs, the Suns series was crazy with the suspensions, Jazz were easy prey, no Pistons, Cavs were one-man band) and we're older, less healthy and/or effective than we were last year.
Sure, the team can get healthy and gel in time for the playoffs and who knows how the chips may fall in the postseason, but logically, it looks like the playing field has leveled to me.
You do not have to agree, as this is just my feeling right now.
you know everyone always says that, but how does time stand still everywhere else except in SA? i'm trying to see what people are actually getting at with that statement.
We're the oldest team in basketball.
Eventually the age catches up.
So the supporting cast is aged, but the eldest member of the Big 3 is your franchise player and he's 31. That core has another 4 years together.
True... that is the nice thing.
You'd like to see the swingman spot have a little more youthful athleticism... either Finley or Bowen.
I know everyone thinks it's a diss when I say Bowen should come off the bench now, but at his age, he could be an awesome stopper and defensive subs ution if we can get a starting-quality 3.
That could extend Bowen's career.
We were the oldest team in baskeball last year too . . . and somehow managed to get the job done.
But the problem with that is that Bowen's role is to defend the best scorer on the opposing team. That guy doesn't usually come off the bench, he starts. And bringing Bowen off the bench essentially makes him a guy who defends second teamers (who can be defended by lesser defenders) while offering occasional help offensively from behind the arc and by stretching the floor with the threat that he will hit an open 3 in a big spot.
If you move Bowen to the bench, you essentially render him worthless or at the very least make him solely a situational player.
Ghost
the only team i think that really got better was the lakers.
i happen to think shaq makes the suns worse, kidd makes the mavericks worse.
if anything i'd like to get a big to matchup with that team in los angeles, and then aside from utah who i am not sure about yet, i think we take anyone else provided we have health.
The Spurs have Udoka to learn from the master and to help keep his minutes down during the regular season.
I already covered how that happened and why we're not playing at the same level a thousand times.
I disagree.
The best players from other teams usually play 40+ minutes.
I like guys that can defend and score.
If you follow the Spurs, you'll notice Bowen's minutes have been declining or erratic at best.
I'd like to extend his career by using him more sparingly.
Did you catch my long response to one of your more on-topic questions?
*sigh*
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