Is anyone passionately FOR Hillary Clinton?

[Opinionater]

IMHO, if Hillary doesn't win big in both Ohio and TX it will be over for everyone except the Hillary campaign. She didn't work this hard to bow out graciously. She will fight until the convention and it will cause a shake up that could cost the democrats the White House.

[Whisky Dog]

I thought of Edwards as well but Hillary is too big of a player in the party. With Edwards dropping out of the race when he did, I think that ended his chances for getting on the ticket...although I do see him as a part of an Obama or Clinton cabinet. I also think if Hillary somehow pulls the nomination, Obama will be her VP.


Then again, I once thought that Alfredrick Hughes would be a good NBA player so who knows.

I think the black muslim and the woman ticket would be far too much change at once for this country to stomach, therefore it would be political suicide. That ticket would all but hand McCain the presidency (assuming McCain is the GOP candidate).

[peewee's lovechild]

The fact of the matter is that Barak Obama has been against the war in Iraq from the get go. Hillary Clinton is a hawk on foreign relations and thats never going to change. She's been a supporter of failed policies for quite some time. I hate her health care plans and I always have because if anything is going to make us a further bankrupt nation it is her stupid health care ideas.

Barak Obama is not perfect. He's probably too liberal on many stances for me to absolutely love his stances, but I also believe he brings something to the table that we haven't had for a long time. You can rail all you want against him being all style and no substance but thats just not true. And even if it was, the position he's going for is one where style actually counts a lot more than people would ever care to admit. You do a lot more of giving impressions as a president than you do setting policy. Its the absolute truth.

I'm ready to have a well spoken inspiring presences in the oval office again. This country needs a shot in the arm and thats not something Hilary Clinton can provide. She's as polarizing as Bush and she's honestly not too different from him where it matters the most as a president. You can't set legislation on your own from the White House but you sure as can make a big dent in foreign policy regardless of what congress wants you to do.

But, what is this "thing" that he brings? I'm not going to vote for someone because everyone is swept up with a "thing" he may have going for him. That's like voting for someone because he's "so hip".

I'll have to read more on that link you sent me to see how he weighs against Hillary, but I refuse to get swept into a trend.

Also, you're right about having a "well spoken presence" in the oval office. But, I don't think Hillary is somehow a worse option than McCain. I don't see how she's not well spoken.

[MannyIsGod]

Quoting Martin Luther King, Jr. isn't substance.

And, I believe it is practical to say how you're going to get things done. The only thing that he's explained on how he's going to get things done is giving all college students a $4,000 credit for school. But, that they have to work it off by joining the Peace Corps, volunteering at a homeless shelter, or learning a new language. Which, is not even practical.

And talking about soundbites, that's all he ever does.

Yeah, go read that link or just admit you're speaking out of complete ignorance. He's explained everything, he just doesnt' go into detail in every single stump speech he gives because its impractical. Clinton does the same thing, but because he's a far better speaker than her she's tried to turn it against him as much as possible. First he's all style and no substance, then its just words, and then its plagerism.

o, she's borrowed from Obama and Edwards. But that doesn't matter because people only hear the accusation without regard to whether there is anything to back it up.

He has explained everything and I've given you a length to an indepth explation of every single issue he's campaigned upon.

[peewee's lovechild]

I thought of Edwards as well but Hillary is too big of a player in the party. With Edwards dropping out of the race when he did, I think that ended his chances for getting on the ticket...although I do see him as a part of an Obama or Clinton cabinet. I also think if Hillary somehow pulls the nomination, Obama will be her VP.


Then again, I once thought that Alfredrick Hughes would be a good NBA player so who knows.

I think Hillary and Obama have harmed each other too much to be reconcilliatory enough to be on each others ticket. I think that's why Hillary, if she should pull past the Obama momentum, would choose Edwards. He could help her with the southern vote.

Having said that, Reagan and Bush the first cut each other down in 1980, but still managed to work past their differences to run on the same ticket.

[MannyIsGod]

Obama is not a muslim. The amount of misinformation in this thread is reach very high levels.

[MannyIsGod]

There will be no Clinton vice presidency and there will be no Edwards vice presidency.

I do believe there will be a Bill Richardson VP though.

[florige]

I think the black muslim and the woman ticket would be far too much change at once for this country to stomach, therefore it would be political suicide. That ticket would all but hand McCain the presidency (assuming McCain is the GOP candidate).

I agree 100% with that! (- the muslim part)

[samikeyp]

I think Hillary and Obama have harmed each other too much to be reconcilliatory enough to be on each others ticket. I think that's why Hillary, if she should pull past the Obama momentum, would choose Edwards. He could help her with the southern vote.

Having said that, Reagan and Bush the first cut each other down in 1980, but still managed to work past their differences to run on the same ticket.

So did Kerry and Edwards in 2004.

[MannyIsGod]

But, what is this "thing" that he brings? I'm not going to vote for someone because everyone is swept up with a "thing" he may have going for him. That's like voting for someone because he's "so hip".

I'll have to read more on that link you sent me to see how he weighs against Hillary, but I refuse to get swept into a trend.

Also, you're right about having a "well spoken presence" in the oval office. But, I don't think Hillary is somehow a worse option than McCain. I don't see how she's not well spoken.

I would vote 3rd party if it was Hilary and McCain. Its the same ing person. Actually to be honest, I'd be more likely to vote for McCain but even more likely to vote for a 3rd party candidate.

There are people out there who posses a unique ability to bring people together. I'm not sure how you quantify it or how you explain it but it is a special quality that not everyone has. I guess its part charisma party charm and party ingelligence but I've really gotten the impression this is what Barak has.

You know, it really sounds corny but the truth is that he's given a lot of people hope. On the surface he's a black man suceeding to great heights in what is still a white mans world.

Yeah I don't know how to explain it. But when I see the demographics he's carrying and how this momentum is building I understand that I'm seeing something I'm going to tell my kids about. I saw him speak this Tuesday when he was here and I only saw him speak for a little bit. I've seen other presidential candidates here in San Antonio and none has ever generated the buzz that he did. The line to get into the venue streched for nearly a mile.

The truth is that we're pretty damn fed up with the current administration and what something better and new and when you look at that we have to choose from the only thing that even comes close to countering it is Barak Obama. Maybe its more of a nations frustrations coupled with him being the antiBush than anything else, but even that counts for something at this point.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

So did Kerry and Edwards in 2004.

'cause they were both idiots.

[MannyIsGod]

So did Kerry and Edwards in 2004.

Not even close. Edwards was a come from behind suprise who never quite got over the hump. The last campaign was over very quickly and can't be compared to this one. There's no way Clinton ever accepts a VP position. Talking about Obama accepting one is foolish considering he's just about got this wrapped up.

[samikeyp]

I would vote 3rd party if it was Hilary and McCain. Its the same ing person. Actually to be honest, I'd be more likely to vote for McCain but even more likely to vote for a 3rd party candidate.

There are people out there who posses a unique ability to bring people together. I'm not sure how you quantify it or how you explain it but it is a special quality that not everyone has. I guess its part charisma party charm and party ingelligence but I've really gotten the impression this is what Barak has.

You know, it really sounds corny but the truth is that he's given a lot of people hope. On the surface he's a black man suceeding to great heights in what is still a white mans world.

Yeah I don't know how to explain it. But when I see the demographics he's carrying and how this momentum is building I understand that I'm seeing something I'm going to tell my kids about. I saw him speak this Tuesday when he was here and I only saw him speak for a little bit. I've seen other presidential candidates here in San Antonio and none has ever generated the buzz that he did. The line to get into the venue streched for nearly a mile.

The truth is that we're pretty damn fed up with the current administration and what something better and new and when you look at that we have to choose from the only thing that even comes close to countering it is Barak Obama. Maybe its more of a nations frustrations coupled with him being the antiBush than anything else, but even that counts for something at this point.

yeah but who has bigger balls, Hillary or McCain?


Seriously though, good post per usual Manny.

I think you hit it on the head with your last sentence.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, and I will bet anyone money that Obama carries Texas. Not sure about Ohio but Hilary is not going to win here.

[samikeyp]

Not even close. Edwards was a come from behind suprise who never quite got over the hump. The last campaign was over very quickly and can't be compared to this one. There's no way Clinton ever accepts a VP position. Talking about Obama accepting one is foolish considering he's just about got this wrapped up.

I was referring to the shots Kerry and Edwards took at each other. Not as bad as Bush/Reagan or this year but it's not out of the realm of possibilty that two rivals in the primaries can end up on the same ticket.

I might end up being wrong but I still by the prediction.

I do agree also with what was said earlier, if there is division in the party going into the convention, it could lock the Dems out of the White House.

[samikeyp]

Oh, and I will bet anyone money that Obama carries Texas. Not sure about Ohio but Hilary is not going to win here.

If she doesn't, she is done.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The truth is that we're pretty damn fed up with the current administration and what something better and new and when you look at that we have to choose from the only thing that even comes close to countering it is Barak Obama. Maybe its more of a nations frustrations coupled with him being the antiBush than anything else, but even that counts for something at this point.

i wish people would realize that bush isn't running in this race, so being anti-bush isn't really hip anymore. let's move on with what needs to be done. remember this democratic congress we have has a lower appreciation rating than bush. voting anti-bush isn't the answer.

[peewee's lovechild]

Yeah, go read that link or just admit you're speaking out of complete ignorance. He's explained everything, he just doesnt' go into detail in every single stump speech he gives because its impractical. Clinton does the same thing, but because he's a far better speaker than her she's tried to turn it against him as much as possible. First he's all style and no substance, then its just words, and then its plagerism.

o, she's borrowed from Obama and Edwards. But that doesn't matter because people only hear the accusation without regard to whether there is anything to back it up.

He has explained everything and I've given you a length to an indepth explation of every single issue he's campaigned upon.

I'm not speaking out of ignorance. Not at all. I've seen most, if not all of his speeches. It's all about "I was right on the Iraq War", Kennedy, and other buzz words that really have no substance.

I'm not lying about that. I'm not even talking about plagerism or anything like that. I am saying that it's just words, though. He doesn't have the experience that Hillary has. Plus, she has the constant ear and support of a former President. A presidents, I might add, that was pretty damn good.

[florige]

Either way you look at it you guys hold her future in your hands come March 4th.

[MannyIsGod]

Bush may have gotten his 2 terms, but trust me when I say he's screwed the Republican Party for this next election. As long as the Democrats don't royal screw up (which isn't a given by ANY means) they're going to probably gain seats in congress and the presidency.

Being the antiBush may not be hip by your standards, but it sure is going to be a pretty good way to get elected. Its going to be easy to run against the failed policies of this administration.

[samikeyp]

Bush may have gotten his 2 terms, but trust me when I say he's screwed the Republican Party for this next election. As long as the Democrats don't royal screw up (which isn't a given by ANY means) they're going to probably gain seats in congress and the presidency.

Being the antiBush may not be hip by your standards, but it sure is going to be a pretty good way to get elected. Its going to be easy to run against the failed policies of this administration.

Agreed.

Fair or not, it's going to be reality.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not speaking out of ignorance. Not at all. I've seen most, if not all of his speeches. It's all about "I was right on the Iraq War", Kennedy, and other buzz words that really have no substance.

I'm not lying about that. I'm not even talking about plagerism or anything like that. I am saying that it's just words, though. He doesn't have the experience that Hillary has. Plus, she has the constant ear and support of a former President. A presidents, I might add, that was pretty damn good.

Funny, seems to me that Barak has more government service under his belt than Hilary. First Lady is not an elected office. Bush had the constant ear and support of a former president and we saw how well that worked out for him.

Hilary's time in the senate is aweomse if you ask me. She voted for the Iraqi war resolution and her comments on that vote are stellar. I love her experience there, but only because it strenthens the argument for Barak.

And you are speaking out of ignorance Pee-Wee. I'm glad you seen his stump speeches. Thats never where the meat of a candidate is to be found. You say he has no plans but when I give you the plans on how he's going to do everything you're response was "I can't read those now".

If your'e not ignorant to their existance then why would you say they didn't exsist?

[peewee's lovechild]

Obama is not a muslim. The amount of misinformation in this thread is reach very high levels.

He is not.

His father is, or was.

But, I think it's bull that people keep using that.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

He is not.

His father is, or was.

But, I think it's bull that people keep using that.

oh he's Christian. you should see what his preacher preached. no wonder why he distanced himself from him once his campaign started, but i won't let details get in the way of change.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Funny, seems to me that Barak has more government service under his belt than Hilary.

he isn't even done with his first term as senator.