Jackson has 40-20 vision

[monosylab1k]

And? How does that change the fact that Dirk has 0 and is widely considered a choker by sports fans and analysts around the world?

[gmartin02]

That was one game. There were plenty of amazing games and huge plays that Dirk had in that series, especially in the final two games. He carried his team in both of those games, only to have stupid plays, and Wade punch him in the stomach to get FT's to send it to OT.

I don't like to complain about the officiating in that series, but that one call right there stole the ing game away. I don't know how the you can punch your defender in the stomach and go to the free throw line. If that is the case, why dont we see more fights and black eyes, since punching gets you FTs? That is the absolute worst and most influential foul call in NBA history.

I guess you didnt see my next post right after that one:

"P.S. From the 6 1/2 minute mark in game 3 through the rest of the series, Dirk shot 20-56 (35.7%) - you can rationalize this any way you want, but that is just a poor performance."

He might have had a number of huge plays in the next games, but 35.7% is 35.7% - you can blame the refs, etc. but team leaders/champions don't need excuses - that's why they are champions - they perform well under any conditions - chokers need excuses.

[gmartin02]

And Jordan has six

and Jordan (and Magic) retired a long time ago - stop living in the past and get ready to watch the playoffs with some good teams (the Bulls might not even make the playoffs)

[gmartin02]

And Kobe shot 19-59 in the last 3 games against the Pistons in 2004 that is a whopping 32%. What is the point? Dirk still was the only one that showed up that entire series so get off his case!

P.S. name another player that Dirk had on Dallas that was equivolent to Kobe having Shaq?

The point is that Kobe has 3 rings, Dirk has none. Kobe always played better in the road games than Shaq in the playoffs - Shaq in 2002 was already starting to get fat & lazy (he was in great shape in '01 & '00), and Kobe carried the Lakers through the finals. The other Laker players were pretty marginal most of the time, except were always a better defensive team (whole team, not just Shaq & Kobe) than Dallas.

Dirk had 43% shooting % for the whole series - I guess this is showing up (barely) but he took so many stupid shots the name "choker" is appropriate.

Jason Terry shot 48% for the series, so I guess at least someone else showed up (and out shot Dirk - you better check for myopia).

[gmartin02]

he is being facetious!

I know - just smackin' back

[gmartin02]

I know - just smackin' back

P.S. Aren't these boards mostly just smack anyway - about 10% serious discussion /analysis and 90% "rah rah for my team"

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Dirk had 43% shooting % for the whole series - I guess this is showing up (barely) but he took so many stupid shots the name "choker" is appropriate.

Jason Terry shot 48% for the series, so I guess at least someone else showed up (and out shot Dirk - you better check for myopia).

You obviously don't know what the you are talking about. Shut the up already.

[DazedAndConfused]

You obviously don't know what the you are talking about. Shut the up already.

Wow you really showed him.

[gmartin02]

You obviously don't know what the you are talking about. Shut the up already.

If you really don't think I know what I am talking about - back up your statement with #s.

Your just a whining loser that has wet dreams about Dallas greatness - go spank your monkey and get it out of your system.

I present stats, you use the f word.

[ElNono]

Wow you really showed him.

Hi Jeff.

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If you really don't think I know what I am talking about - back up your statement with #s.

For starters, how the is 7-25 and 2-11 on 3's in game 6 outshooting Dirk, who scored 29 points on 10-22 shooting, was 8-8 at the line, 1-2 on 3's, and then also had 2 blocks and 15 rebounds? Dirk played his ass of in that game especially, only to have Terry and Howard totally suck balls, and throw a perfect pass for a wide open dunk to Dampier with very little time left on the clock, only to have him fumble it out of bounds. Nothing Dirk can do about that stuff. Dirk can't do anything if he hits a game winning shot in game 5, as well as making a number of other HUGE plays down the stretch in that game, only to have the refs bail out Wade by whisting Dirk for being in the way of Dwayne Wade's punch.

Your just a whining loser that has wet dreams about Dallas greatness - go spank your monkey and get it out of your system.

Wow, what a comeback, only to follow it up with this hypocritical statement...

I present stats, you use the f word.

ity .

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Wow you really showed him.

Hey Jeff.

[z0sa]

Riley and Nellie would've won those series no matter which roster they had, that's how badly Avery was worked over. But people want to lay it all at Dirk's feet.

typical mavs fan response.

both losses should be shovelled equally on avery's and dirk's head.

but dirk's out there playing. Great players get their teams past the first round regardless of the coach.

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Great players get their teams past the first round regardless of the coach.

Wrong. Great players that have another great player at their side gets their teams past the first round regardless of the coach. It's a bit hard to do when you are the only star.

[DazedAndConfused]

Wrong. Great players that have another great player at their side gets their teams past the first round regardless of the coach. It's a bit hard to do when you are the only star.

Now that is a "stretch". You don't win 67 ing games in a regular season with a garbage team. Dallas choked, plain and simple.

[gmartin02]

For starters, how the is 7-25 and 2-11 on 3's in game 6 outshooting Dirk, who scored 29 points on 10-22 shooting, was 8-8 at the line, 1-2 on 3's, and then also had 2 blocks and 15 rebounds? Dirk played his ass of in that game especially, only to have Terry and Howard totally suck balls, and throw a perfect pass for a wide open dunk to Dampier with very little time left on the clock, only to have him fumble it out of bounds. Nothing Dirk can do about that stuff. Dirk can't do anything if he hits a game winning shot in game 5, as well as making a number of other HUGE plays down the stretch in that game, only to have the refs bail out Wade by whisting Dirk for being in the way of Dwayne Wade's punch.

Wow, what a comeback, only to follow it up with this hypocritical statement...

ity .

That is one game - Dallas had almost lost the series by that time.

Actually, Dallas (and Dirk) lost the series in game 3

Remember - Dirks "astronomical" #s in the last 6 1/2 minutes of game 3 (when they had a 13 point lead, and would have gone up 3-0):

1 turnover
3 fouls
0-1 shooting
3-4 free throws (including missing the one that would have tied the game with 3 seconds left)
No matter what way you look at it, that is the most monumental choke in NBA Finals history.

I was rooting for Dallas all the way - they (and Dirk) just ing choked (now I'm using the f word )

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Now that is a "stretch". You don't win 67 ing games in a regular season with a garbage team. Dallas choked, plain and simple.

I never said they were a garbage team. I just said that the Mavs don't have another legitimate star, and its hard to win in the playoffs without another star.

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That is one game

Lol, you said that, then you proceed to say this...

Actually, Dallas (and Dirk) lost the series in game 3... blah blah blah bull bull bull ...

Uhm, all of that was ONE game you ing moron.

[gmartin02]

Lol, you said that, then you proceed to say this...

Uhm, all of that was ONE game you ing moron.

In the previous posts, you were quoting shooting statistics from one game (game 6, when Dallas was already down 3-2), when I was quoting shooting statics from the whole series (Terry 48% vs Dirk 43%).

So if you want to look at just one game, you better look at the pivotal game (game 3 - the one game they lost the series.).

Since you are still pissed off, you must have not spanked your monkey yet to get it out of your system. Go choke your chicken and calm down - your team is never going to win a championship - if you live in Texas, why don't you root for a team that is a champion (the Spurs) instead of a team that chokes (the Mavs).

[Findog]

typical mavs fan response.

both losses should be shovelled equally on avery's and dirk's head.

but dirk's out there playing. Great players get their teams past the first round regardless of the coach.

Did I say anything about excusing Dirk from the blame? That post did not contain what you think it did. Are you denying Avery was outcoached in those series?

[Lakafan23]

LOL Phil is the worst at in-game adjustments, Pop is one of the best at it. Funny that you think that way about our coach, his mentality is to let his players play through adversity.

That statement is very wrong IMO Phil is great at in-game adjustments and so is Pop

[Lakafan23]

Stop The Mindless Violence

The Past Is The Past Lets Focus On This Year And How Great Of A Year Its Been.

[DazedAndConfused]

That statement is very wrong IMO Phil is great at in-game adjustments and so is Pop

Not in the regular season. How many games have we lost because he left in subpar lineups for far too long blowing away double digit leads and refusing to call timeouts?

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In the previous posts, you were quoting shooting statistics from one game (game 6, when Dallas was already down 3-2), when I was quoting shooting statics from the whole series (Terry 48% vs Dirk 43%).

Actually, if you truly read my post, I also talked about game 5. But you obviously didn't read it, did you?

Wanna go more into detail? A lot of Terry's stats came from a couple monster games he had, but when they needed shots from him the most, he did not deliver, especially in game 6. Even though Dirk had a couple games where he didn't shoot well, he still would drive and get to the line and get his points that way, which is what true stars do.

So if you want to look at just one game, you better look at the pivotal game (game 3 - the one game they lost the series.)

Actually they lost the series in game 6. They still had another 3 games to play after game 3, so it is actually impossible to lose the series in game 3 no matter what the cir stances are.

Since you are still pissed off, you must have not spanked your monkey yet to get it out of your system. Go choke your chicken and calm down - your team is never going to win a championship - if you live in Texas, why don't you root for a team that is a champion (the Spurs) instead of a team that chokes (the Mavs).

Weak sauce.

[gmartin02]

Actually they lost the series in game 6. They still had another 3 games to play after game 3, so it is actually impossible to lose the series in game 3 no matter what the cir stances are.

If they would have won game 3, they would have won the series - but you are technically correct, so lets look at Dirk's 4th quarter offense in game 6:

Shooting: 0-4 from the floor - 2 points total (free throws).

There is a reason that Dirk is labeled a choker (I didn't make it up):
Dirk's 2006 finals shooting stats in the last 4 games:
1. Game 3 - last 6 1/2 minutes 4th quarter meltdown (wen Dallas was up by 13) - 0-1 shooting in last 6 1/2 minutes.
2. Game 4 - 4th quarter - 0-1 shooting
3. Game 5 - Overtime - 1-3 shooting
2. Game 6 - 4th quarter - 0-4 shooting

So I guess Dirk "deer in the headlights" Nowitzki "showed up" in the finals, just not offensively in the end of the last 4 games - this is the worst "crunch time" performance of any "star" in NBA history - choke, choke, choke