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    Not without Harris and Diop. Sorry, you just became the Dallas Alsorans.
    Yes yes, Harris and Diop were certainly the key.

    Did you see how Harris had 2 points, 0 assists, and 5 TO's in game 7? KEY I tell you!!!

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    So Kidd is going to cut off Parker's penentration?

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    So Kidd is going to cut off Parker's penentration?

    yes, and dirk is gonna stop duncan.

    (sarcasm)

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    Yes yes, Harris and Diop were certainly the key.

    Did you see how Harris had 2 points, 0 assists, and 5 TO's in game 7? KEY I tell you!!!
    MOTHER ER, I swear, everything revolves around that series between Spurs and Mavs fans

    Devin Harris is far more developed and better than he was in that series. And given what I saw last season and early this season, I did not like Harris on the Mavs. He was quick enough to stop Parker, and apparently too quick for anyone on the Spurs. Diop always made Duncan work, and he blocked some shots in the paint. The Mavs still have the ultimate Spurs mismatch-Dirk. But players like Terry, Kidd, Howard, and Stackhouse are completely guardable within the Spurs' defensive system.

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    yes, and dirk is gonna stop duncan.

    (sarcasm)

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    Yes, while on the other hand KT uses his new found mobility to contain Dirk, and the guys who always bring it against the Spur (Jet, Stack, Josh) have no idea what to do with the much better shots that Kidd provides.

    but we know Parker is gonna penetrate a couple of times, so that's the series I guess. As Findog says, "too bad we gave up Oscar and B.Russell".

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    Yes, while on the other hand KT uses his new found mobility to contain Dirk, and the guys who always bring it against the Spur (Jet, Stack, Josh) have no idea what to do with the much better shots that Kidd provides.

    but we know Parker is gonna penetrate a couple of times, so that's the series I guess. As Findog says, "too bad we gave up Oscar and B.Russell".

    no, that's not thomas' job; that's bowen's job [to stop dirk].

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    MOTHER ER, I swear, everything revolves around that series between Spurs and Mavs fans .
    It always will, until the next, legendary series.

    The Mavs still have the ultimate Spurs mismatch-Dirk.
    And that is where every real analysis should start. If Dirk forces you to go small again, Kidd or no Kidd the Mavs will have a field day at the rim once again.

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    no, that's not thomas' job; that's bowen's job [to stop dirk].

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    He certainly did a wonderful job in 06, when Dirk has only begun to understand what a post game was.

    And if Bowen is on Dirk, who's on Josh. Weren't Spurs fans kicking themselves for allowing this guy to slip through their hands in the draft, and becoming a huge problem for the unathletic spurs.

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    It always will, until the next, legendary series.



    And that is where every real analysis should start. If Dirk forces you to go small again, Kidd or no Kidd the Mavs will have a field day at the rim once again.
    I know and that is exactly why I don't think Pop should give in and go small unless the Mavs go small. In 2006, Pop just gave up and went small while Avery just laughed and stayed big and opened up the boards, leading to more offensive possessions, etc. It wasn't pretty. The only way the Spurs could beat the Mavs going small is if the Mavs go small too. The only way.

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    He certainly did a wonderful job in 06, when Dirk has only begun to understand what a post game was.


    yeah, and dirk sure blossomed into the mvp he showed he was during their championship run last year..


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    yeah, and dirk sure blossomed into the mvp he showed he was during their championship run last year..


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    championship joke last year! *

    my bad!

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    I know and that is exactly why I don't think Pop should give in and go small unless the Mavs go small. In 2006, Pop just gave up and went small while Avery just laughed and stayed big and opened up the boards, leading to more offensive possessions, etc. It wasn't pretty. The only way the Spurs could beat the Mavs going small is if the Mavs go small too. The only way.
    The biggest reason why he went small was not Harris per se, but the fact that the mavs had four true scorers/offensive players and a big guy. They could hide Duncan trying to guard Griffin, while Horry/Oberto took turns at Damp, or the other way around. But once Harris came in, it wasn't his speed that changed the game. It was the fact that he could no longer hide one his big guys. With Kidd, Terry is the starting 2, and Josh and Dirk are still at the 3 and 4. To me it's the same scenario all over again. You can't put KT on Dirk, and you are not risking Duncan unless it's the end of the game. That's why I really don't think the matchups have changed that much. Parker might be better, but we get easier shots with Kidd to. And Kidd can post Parker up. I would be shocked if these games don't go to the wire again, as they always do with these teams.

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    yeah, and dirk sure blossomed into the mvp he showed he was during their championship run last year..


    -David
    Yeah, Hakeem really killed DRob in 94.

    Trash talk is cool when it has some connection to what we are talking about.

    It doesn't change the fact that Bowen was exposed by the end of the series. And a lot of Mavs fans and observers, know that it was AJ's fault, not Dirk's for how last season ended.

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    no, that's not thomas' job; that's bowen's job [to stop dirk].

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    He won't, fatty.

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    The biggest reason why he went small was not Harris per se, but the fact that the mavs had four true scorers/offensive players and a big guy. They could hide Duncan trying to guard Griffin, while Horry/Oberto took turns at Damp, or the other way around.
    The reason Pop went small was because he did not feel any of his big men could guard Dirk. It had nothing to do with Harris, sorry if my post made it seem like it.


    To me it's the same scenario all over again. You can't put KT on Dirk, and you are not risking Duncan unless it's the end of the game. That's why I really don't think the matchups have changed that much. Parker might be better, but we get easier shots with Kidd to. And Kidd can post Parker up. I would be shocked if these games don't go to the wire again, as they always do with these teams.
    I'll take Kidd posting Parker up and taking a turnaround rather than Harris slicing through our defense any day. To me, it all depends on what Pop does. If Pop chooses to go small despite the Mavs staying big, we are ed just like we were in 2006. If Pop chooses to stay big and focus on shutting down Howard, Terry, Stackhouse, etc., that would be to our advantage.

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    The biggest reason why he went small was not Harris per se, but the fact that the mavs had four true scorers/offensive players and a big guy. They could hide Duncan trying to guard Griffin, while Horry/Oberto took turns at Damp, or the other way around. But once Harris came in, it wasn't his speed that changed the game. It was the fact that he could no longer hide one his big guys. With Kidd, Terry is the starting 2, and Josh and Dirk are still at the 3 and 4. To me it's the same scenario all over again. You can't put KT on Dirk, and you are not risking Duncan unless it's the end of the game. That's why I really don't think the matchups have changed that much. Parker might be better, but we get easier shots with Kidd to. And Kidd can post Parker up. I would be shocked if these games don't go to the wire again, as they always do with these teams.

    Sure, the Mavs presented a defensive problem for the Spurs. But the key was that the Mavs could get defensive stops on the Spurs in that series. Like it or not, Harris and Diop were part of the reason for that.

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    MOTHER ER, I swear, everything revolves around that series between Spurs and Mavs fans

    Devin Harris is far more developed and better than he was in that series. And given what I saw last season and early this season, I did not like Harris on the Mavs. He was quick enough to stop Parker, and apparently too quick for anyone on the Spurs. Diop always made Duncan work, and he blocked some shots in the paint. The Mavs still have the ultimate Spurs mismatch-Dirk. But players like Terry, Kidd, Howard, and Stackhouse are completely guardable within the Spurs' defensive system.
    Harris was good in the first game this year in Dallas, and all but useless in the 2nd game in SA.

    The fact is that he had his moments, but he's 1/5th the player of Kidd. Tony had PLENTY of good games against Harris. Great games even. Go check the box score on Games 3 and 4 of that series.

    I'm not saying that Kidd isn't a worse matchup against Parker, just that he's not the monumental drop off that some are making him out to be.

    As for Diop, he was alright. Magloire is an upgrade. Frankly, other than the Game 7 OT, I thought Damp did a better job against Duncan than Diop ever did.

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    Question "dude" have you ever been paid for your basketball opinions? I would bet you have not (I have).

    LAL is a good young and fairly talented team but to even consider them in the league with the Spurs; until they start playing defense or at least win a friggin playoff series, please, give us a break!

    There is only one reason that the LAL have even the same number of losses as the Spurs at this point - the big three of the Spurs (true stars and superstars) have had significant injuries.

    If not, LAL and all the rest would be 2-3 games behind the Spurs - who also know, unlike the LAL that having homecourt is not so essential with their experience and verve. By the way, you have played 4 less conference games so far as well, and how they count games against the Clippers in LA as not *road wins, is a farce.

    Believe me the changes in the West were primarily done to combat one team (per Burns of SI, Bill Walton, and others) = the Spurs. Sure Gasol set off an "arms race" but his skinny and hairy mug will be going fishing early just like the rest of the over-hyped Lakers. Mark it down.

    Oh by the way, next year the Spurs add a guy named Tiago Splitter the perfect foil for Gasol - better defender and adequate scorer.

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    Lakers were top 7 in defensive effeciency when Bynum was starting. You guys are really underrating that kid's defense. Crazy long and quick to boot. Alters everything and has shown he can go right at Duncan. Bynum is expected to be back before the playoffs.

    Ariza is also a great perimeter defender but his injury had a small setback so he may or may not be back before the playoffs.

    But hey, keep downplaying the Laker threat and worrying about the Pistons. Going to laugh when the Mavs blindside you before the Lakers/Spurs even faceoff in the playoffs.

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    the truth is that this year is wide open. No one knows how Shaq will gel with the Suns. No one knows how much the Mavs will miss Harris and Diop in the playoffs. No one knows if the Lakers are for real, and if Bynum comes back 100% for the playoffs. No one knows who will be the to seed-homecourt advantage etc.

    Just like that Yao got injured and the Rockets are out.

    I like the Spurs chances going into the playoffs with the same team as last year plus Thomas, Udoka and Stoudamire.

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    no, that's not thomas' job; that's bowen's job [to stop dirk].

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    Good thing for us that Bruce completely sucks at it, stopping Dirk that is. I'm sure Udoka and Thomas will be on Dirk more than Bowen.

    - Findog.

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    yeah, and dirk sure blossomed into the mvp he showed he was during their championship run last year..


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    Dirk was hurt doing the Warrior series. Tony Parker recently came back after being shut down for bone spurs, while Dirk played on his because his team was hopeless without him.

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    championship joke last year! *

    my bad!

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    Haha, You meant to type championship joke instead of championship run. I see what you did there, Lenny Bruce. That's some edgy stuff.

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