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Mavs fans should consider it a good pickup if Magliore is a better option than Bass at any point.
It DOESN'T cancel out the loss of Diop. Those that think Mags is equal to Diop are idiots. Mags is however a better option than Juwan Howard or Bass at center.
Mavs fans should consider it a good pickup if Magliore is a better option than Bass at any point.
We'll see. Kidd did really well against Paul, despite what was said. It was the switching on D that caused most of the confusion, and that happened because of guys learning to play together. The man was once considered a great defender, and if bowen can get it done at 35, there is no reason to think Kidd can't. He seems as fresh as ever to me.
Plus, the Kidd-TP matchup is one of the many things that would decide the series. What does TP do on defense v. Kidd? Do you have a new plan to stop Dirk?
Just because TP might win that matchup, that would hardly decide the series.
Do you know that those Nets teams that he took to the Finals were 1 in the league in def. efficency. Talk to any knowledgable Mavs fan, and they will tell you that the offense killed us in the playoffs, not the defense. Kidd was brought here to speed things us, and create better shots. Our defense will be fine, just as it has been under AJ, just as it was in 06 against the Spurs.
I'm not sure what game you were watching, but I guess you missed Paul's nine steals.
btw, it was 3 seasons ago and his all-star appearances were 5-6 seasons ago. I wasn't that far off after all.
First, I was referring to Kidd defending Paul. Second, Paul leads the league in steals and TP does not. Third, Kidd and the Mavs in general were sloppy in their first game together WITHOUT any true practice before the game.
Yeah, giving up 105 points a game to the Warriors was masterful. The Mavs' offense suffered because, harrangued by a harassing defense, they settled for jumpers. Kidd might help the Mavs play against the Warriors, but he doesn't improve their jump shooting when they decide they don't have the heart to go inside anymore.
Oh, I'm sorry. Allow me to rephrase: I guess you missed Paul's 31 points and 11 assists.
Well that has to make Kidd a better defender.
I might submit that it has little significance, but don't act like it was somehow less ugly than it was.
I'd love to know the Spurs genius plan for defending fadeaway 3's with 20 seconds on the shot clock.
Yeah he's never done that to anyone else.
Anybody gives that up against the warriors. The thing is that you should score 120 on their weak D. Plus if you actually watched the games, the mavs allowed so many fastbreak opportunities because they were taking bad shots on the offensive end. Kidd is probably the best at controlling Baron, always has been.
As for them not having the hearts to go inside, that's just idiotic man. Dirk really went inside against the Spurs I think. Go see what people have said in the NBA section. This never was a question of heart, they were outcoached, and out-thought. Their predictable offense caught up with them. It was Xs and Os, not a heart thing. The Mavs struggled against the Warriors way before that series ever began.
Didn't Duncan average 32 and 15 in that playoff series with Bill Russell (Diop) on him? Duncan being "shut down" isn't why you lost that series.
"...cancels out the loss of Diop..." No it doesn't! Magloire can't slow down Duncan in any sense, and that's exactly what Diop did. He is a stopgap backup centre and that's it. He might score a bucket or two, but Duncan will treat him like paper towel. Good luck with that.
Yeah, that's how they won. It was 288 minutes full of lucky circus three pointers.
If you'd like to know the genius plan, ask the Jazz.
Are you even reading? He didn't do that damage against Kidd, he did against other guys mostly.Oh, I'm sorry. Allow me to rephrase: I guess you missed Paul's 31 points and 11 assists.
Well that has to make Kidd a better defender.
I might submit that it has little significance, but don't act like it was somehow less ugly than it was.
No it doesn't make Kidd a better defender. The point that YOU were making, is that Kidd is vulnerable to steals by other quick guys. The debate was not about his defense.
The game was ugly, yet it was what to be expected. I'll take his 4th game with the Mavs as a much better proof of what he can do than his 1st, less than 24 hours after arriving in Dallas.
Diop is a complete non-en y on offense. Magloire is not. It isn't all about the Spurs. What good does it do to be a "Spurs killer" if you can't advance far enough into the playoffs to face them? I thought we traded DeSagana Diop to New Jersey, not Bill Russell. Last I checked, Tim Duncan threw 32 and 15 on us in that playoff series. Nobody is going to stop him, but Spurs fans are lying if they think Magloire is going to be significantly worse racking up 6 fouls in 15 minutes of burn.
Thank you.
The reason why you lost is wearing 41, and he is still in Dallas. Are you going small again, or are you going to waste KT's fouls as he tries to hang with Dirk on the perimeter before you ultimately go small again.
let's not take this too far. Dirk deserves plenty of blame. He wasn't able to get the ball in his comfort zone, so he lost all aggressiveness. He let JET throw up bricks all game long. He never took charge.
Dirk's playoff failures outweight his playoff success, and only the biggest of Mavs homers can attempt to dispute that.
I'm not so sure "watch them shoot 3's, except this time they miss" is much of a genius plan.
The Mavs won the high-scoring games in that series and they lost all the lower-scoring ones. They tried to slow the game down into a half-court game, when they should've been running with the Warriors.
The problem with Duncan is that you're never going to stop him. You can double him and let Manu and the other shooters get open looks from the perimeter, or you can let Duncan eat you alive in single coverage. With Dampier and Diop, the Mavs got away with foregoing the double team the whole game. They still doubled with Damp/Diop, but they were able to mix it up. Diop is a player of limited usefulness and so is Magloire. This is just as much about Phoenix and LA as it is San Antonio.
Giving up Harris and Diop despite their success against the Spurs was a tradeoff, but one the Mavs felt they had to make to get better. Dallas made this move with their team in mind, not just the Spurs. Sorry Spurs fans that you're not the complete center of the basketball universe. There were other considerations at play. We'll see what happens in May.
And here I thought they got Kidd because their late-game offensive execution was terrible against Miami and Golden State. They just want to win more regular season games and nothing more.
I suppose I have to be afraid of Jason Kidd because Randy Galloway says Devin Harris is ,
I guess you should read my posts first. I said JM has a different skillset and won't do the same things that Diop did. Diop is a better shotblocker, but Magloire is just as good a rebounder, and unlike Diop, we won't be playing 4 on 5 on offense when he's in the game.or because you try to act like Magliore is going to step right in and do everything Diop did.
Good. Maybe we can meet up with San Antonio once again when we get there. Last I checked, we still have three Spurs killers on our roster. Two bad we traded away Oscar Robertson and Bill Russell to New Jersey, otherwise we might actually have a chance to beat San Antonio.I've certainly got no problem telling you your team is well above average and should have little difficulty making the playoffs in the western conference, and could seriously contend for a spot in the conference semifinals
That's the first time a Mavs fan has been able to say that in forever.
I didn't say anything about the series. What I know and what I said is that Diop always used to do a good job on Duncan and slow him down, Magloire will be unable to do any such thing. Isn't this thread en led "new Duncan stopper"?
I'll have to disagree with you, and I am not the only fan to do this. I know how it was painted in the national media, but to me Avery deserves all of the blame for that loss, with JET and Stack getting what's left.
Dirk was not getting the ball in his spots, cause the guards could not make one simple entry pass. Dirk has to post up SJax from 20 feet away with 10 seconds left. No one can do that. Any time he was swarmed the other guys had no idea what to do. Jet kept missing shot after shot.
As Findog said, we won the high scoring games. AJ's idea that we had to slow down our game was what killed us. The warriors were going to run, no matter what. We should have striked them right back, when their D wasn't set. But we did not. That decision, and the one to go small in game 1, will remain with him until he can prove he can coach a team to the rings.
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