The Phoenix Suns are ed

[Jeremy]

Is it just me or is nobody doubling Shaq anymore? I think this is a much bigger issue than the Suns trying to play more in a half court. I would assume Kerr was trading Marion for Shaq because he hoped Shaq would continue to demand double teams to open the floor up for the outside shooters a la' Duncan.

This hasn't seemed to be happening.

That's because stubborn D'antoni won't let Shaq play in the low post. Who's gonna double him far away from the hoop?

Even if Marion was to leave in the offseason, you're trying to tell me no serious FA would wanna come play with Nash and the Suns in what is probably the most exciting offense in the league?

Yes, of course they would. But if Marion had walked away in the offseason, the Suns still would have been right around the Salary Cap--we would not have been able to sign any big Free Agents. That's how much we are above the salary cap, even without Kurt Thomas' contract. So if Marion had walked, we would have been left with nothing--except whoever would have been willing to come here for the MLE.

[K-State Spur]

I would agree, but the only thing that worries me is I don't know if D'antoni will figure out how to use Shaq more effectively. In fact, he's trying to make him change his game instead of letting him play the way he has in the past that has helped teams win championships.

Part of that is that Shaq is no longer capable of playing the way he did that won championships. People think its amazing that he is blowing all these lay-ups of late - well he's always struggled with his touch around the hoop, but he used to just dunk over the top everybody, so it didn't matter.

[rAm]

the suns were good with their way of style, but they reached their max potential with that type of game plan. Now by changing that game plan by adding one piece hurt them exponentially because no they are a lesser version of their old style and not enough defense to make up for it.

They are lost somewhere in between and it will not translate into a championship.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

That's because stubborn D'antoni won't let Shaq play in the low post. Who's gonna double him far away from the hoop?



Yes, of course they would. But if Marion had walked away in the offseason, the Suns still would have been right around the Salary Cap--we would not have been able to sign any big Free Agents. That's how much we are above the salary cap, even without Kurt Thomas' contract. So if Marion had walked, we would have been left with nothing--except whoever would have been willing to come here for the MLE.

thanks for clarifying, I figured with Marion coming off the books after this season they would've had a lot more money to play around with, but apparently not.

[Extra Stout]

But when you get a team that really plays well together, whether you win or lose, that's what you're most proud of. They're unselfish, and they're playing basketball the way you think it should be played."

Now, playing basketball the way he thinks it should be played might be a colossal failure in terms of outscoring opponents in the playoffs, but at least it suits his effeminate sense of aesthetics. Hands on those hips, Mikey!

[21_Blessings]

If it makes you feel any better, so are the Mavericks.

If it makes you feel any better, so are the Spurs once they see the Lakers in a playoff series.

[BillsCarnage]

Or... "The Phoenix Suns, Phucking Suck."

Xylus, you gotta get up pretty early to trump the Carnage..

I've been saying that since Dec buddy!. Prior to the Shaq trade.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=F-U-C-K-E-D

Now they're just the "Great Unknown"..

[ATRAIN]

Da_suns_fan has been MIA hahaha, what a loser!!

[2centsworth]

If it makes you feel any better, so are the Spurs once they see the Lakers in a playoff series.

that's our easiest matchup. Kurt will manhandle Gasol, Duncan wil dominate Bynum, Kobe will need 40 shots to score 30, and Manu and Tony will go buck wild.

That's sweep city and it's not even close.

[BonnerDynasty]

Not to mention the fact that Steve Nash is 34, Shaq is turning 36, Grant Hill is 35, Raja Bell is 31, and Amare's prime years will likely be wasted in this era.

Yet the media is still on your jock.

For Spurs, that would be old and slow.

Amazing how all of these teams finally realized they need vets and the media thinks its a sudden amazing revelation out of the blue.

[Supergirl]

It is very interesting to me that Shaq has, as he said he would, made Amare a "better player" - but only offensively. Since Shaq's arrival Amare has played wonderfully on offense, yet the Suns are only 2-3. You wouldn't think a game where Amare scores 37 points would be a game the Suns would lose, except that - I think Shaq's presence has actually made the Suns WORSE offensively. He's notoriously lazy on defense, and as much as he brings some swagger in the locker room, that has an impact, too. And Amare was ALREADY on his way to being a lazy defender. So just because Shaq has made Amare better offensively, the Suns are now allowing their opponents to score more, and the loss of Marion means they don't have anyone who can really bother the other team's best scorer.

[mardigan]

How much has Marion helped the Heat btw?
Most overated played in the NBA

[sribb43]

explain.....

let me answer my own question.....

Because Avery Johnson is the coach

[ancestron]

How much has Marion helped the Heat btw?
Most overated played in the NBA

Remember the 05 west finals? Shawn Marion was practically invisible that whole series. With Joe Johnson hurt, the Suns really needed him, and instead he disappeared, especially defensively. Way to step it up there Shawn. I've always thought he was over-rated, not to mention selfish.

[SAGambler]

When the Grizz put up 113 on you, it is obvious there is no Defense to be found. Wasn't Shaq supposed to stop this? It appears to me that the one thing Shaq has been good at is slowing Amare down. He's become Shaqs walking buddy as they amble back to the defensive end of the court.

I was really hoping the Spurs would get the chance to take em out again, but it's beginning to look more and more like the Suns could struggle just to stay in the playoff picture.

And if they somehow manage to slip that far, Kerr will be looking for a job next year.

[Xylus]

When the Grizz put up 113 on you, it is obvious there is no Defense to be found. Wasn't Shaq supposed to stop this? It appears to me that the one thing Shaq has been good at is slowing Amare down. He's become Shaqs walking buddy as they amble back to the defensive end of the court.

I was really hoping the Spurs would get the chance to take em out again, but it's beginning to look more and more like the Suns could struggle just to stay in the playoff picture.

And if they somehow manage to slip that far, Kerr will be looking for a job next year.

Shaq was supposed to bolster our interior defense, taking some of the slack off of Amare when facing opponents like Yao, Bynum, Duncan, etc. So far, it appears that he's done that. Like I said, it's the perimeter defense that's taken a hit. The opponent's backcourt is having their way with us, because we can no longer hide Steve Nash on D.

[baseline bum]

Remember the 05 west finals? Shawn Marion was practically invisible that whole series. With Joe Johnson hurt, the Suns really needed him, and instead he disappeared, especially defensively. Way to step it up there Shawn. I've always thought he was over-rated, not to mention selfish.

It's not like it happened for no reason. Without Bowen, he prob goes nuts on us the way he always did on Dallas.

[td4mvp21]

Shaq was supposed to bolster our interior defense, taking some of the slack off of Amare when facing opponents like Yao, Bynum, Duncan, etc. So far, it appears that he's done that. Like I said, it's the perimeter defense that's taken a hit. The opponent's backcourt is having their way with us, because we can no longer hide Steve Nash on D.

Parker and Ginobili should love that

[Xylus]

Parker and Ginobili should love that

With Marion gone, I think Bell will be guarding Parker, while Hill will guard Ginobili. I'm not quite sure if Bell is quick enough to guard Parker, but Hill should do a decent job on Ginobili (as decent as one can against a beast like Ginobili).

But yeah, with Marion gone, Ginobili and Parker might have their way with us.

[whottt]

you're a ing idiot.

The first step to getting better is admitting you have a problem. While denial is a completely natural human response to tragedy, and shock is the ID's way of coping with the uncopable, and while both of these functions of the human brain can alleviate the pain and frustration of being faced with an utterly hopeless situation, eventually these psychological constructs will have to be faced and overcome for Mav fan to properly
















REALIZE IT"S ING OVER


and move on to other aspects of their life.



Because their basketball team isn't going to be doing JACK for a while.

[Xylus]

The first step to getting better is admitting you have a problem. While denial is a completely natural human response to tragedy, and shock is the ID's way of coping with the uncopable, and while both of these functions of the human brain can alleviate the pain and frustration of being faced with an utterly hopeless situation, eventually these psychological constructs will have to be faced and overcome for Mav fan to properly
















REALIZE IT"S ING OVER


and move on to other aspects of their life.



Because their basketball team isn't going to be doing JACK for a while.

Your team won by a FG. At home.

Get over yourself.

[td4mvp21]

With Marion gone, I think Bell will be guarding Parker, while Hill will guard Ginobili. I'm not quite sure if Bell is quick enough to guard Parker, but Hill should do a decent job on Ginobili (as decent as one can against a beast like Ginobili).

But yeah, with Marion gone, Ginobili and Parker might have their way with us.

Hopefully Bell won't closeline him.


In all seriousness, if Parker will have Bell on him, he should opt not to shoot midrange jumpers and attack the paint. Ginobili should be ok against Hill, won't necessarily torch him but won't get shutdown against him either.

[Xylus]

Hopefully Bell won't closeline him.


In all seriousness, if Parker will have Bell on him, he should opt not to shoot midrange jumpers and attack the paint. Ginobili should be ok against Hill, won't necessarily torch him but won't get shutdown against him either.

Those are my thoughts, as well.

As for clotheslining, I'd like to see Bell take Phil Jackson down.

[Agloco]

That's because stubborn D'antoni won't let Shaq play in the low post. Who's gonna double him far away from the hoop?

Yes, of course they would. But if Marion had walked away in the offseason, the Suns still would have been right around the Salary Cap--we would not have been able to sign any big Free Agents. That's how much we are above the salary cap, even without Kurt Thomas' contract. So if Marion had walked, we would have been left with nothing--except whoever would have been willing to come here for the MLE.

Who's gonna double him at all?

[whottt]

Your team won by a FG. At home.

Get over yourself.

Who are you, his mother?


In any case...shouldn't you be ing about your own team? I suggest you get back to doing just that so I can get back to helping this Mav fan come to grips with reality.