Moses was 'on acid'

[phyzik]

I wish I could freeze myself and be ressurected 5000 yrs. from now.... Everyone will believe The Lord of The Rings is the ing truth of our past. , they have a show on History channel that shows proof of a hobbit! It must be ing fact!

The bible is nothing more than a story based off of some very simple truths. Weak minded people need it to verify their existance. 'em. Let them live by some pre-concieved notion that we are bound by some "laws" a supposed higher being gave to us but has yet to show himself in the past 2000 ing years except on tortillas and dorito chips.

Whats going to be even more entertaining is if this actually is true and everyone disregards the hobo on the side of the street who really is Jesus re-incarnate!

Keep moving along sheep....

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I wish I could freeze myself and be ressurected 5000 yrs. from now.... Everyone will believe The Lord of The Rings is the ing truth of our past. , they have a show on History channel that shows proof of a hobbit! It must be ing fact!

The bible is nothing more than a story based off of some very simple truths. Weak minded people need it to verify their existance. 'em. Let them live by some pre-concieved notion that we are bound by some "laws" a supposed higher being gave to us but has yet to show himself in the past 2000 ing years except on tortillas and dorito chips.

Whats going to be even more entertaining is if this actually is true and everyone disregards the hobo on the side of the street who really is Jesus re-incarnate!

Keep moving along sheep....

I'm surprised by how many peeps have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to the possibility of a reality beyond this simple world around them that they can see, touch and smell, and then are angry at the people that are lucky enough to have such beliefs. The truly weak minded are the ones who can't open their minds to anything more.

[BigZak]

people strongest in the christian faith, few and far between admittedly, have the ability to do things that the rest of our 'weak' minds simply could not handle...

[boutons_]

"have the ability to do things"

Do you have any verifiable evidence for this claim?

Or is it just another claim such as New Earth creationism.

[Extra Stout]

Team Moses!!



A “researcher” at Hebrew University has published a study that claims Moses was high on drugs when he was given the Ten Commandments by God. I am having trouble figuring out why this is news and why Benny Shannon (the researcher) would even waste time “studying” this. If anyone has seen “History of the World Part II” then you know that Moses was in fact sober and was given 15 Commandments but dropped 5 of them. If Benny Shannon had done any research at all, he could have saved us all the trouble of making fun of him.

The real motivation behind this thesis is to make Benny feel better about his own drug use. According to the article:

"He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said."

So he figures that if he can bring big Moses down a notch or two, then he will be living large. However he is just a hater all around. His conclusion is based on strong evidence like this:

“As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics."

I had always been under the impression that academic papers and “studies” actually had to have do entable evidence not just hearsay and personal experience with drugs. I wonder if the footnotes cite the Amazonian (is that a word?) religious experience in reference to Moses’ visions (hopefully in correct MLA format). Good try Benny…I for one am on Team Moses.

[whottt]

It's true...people didn't figure out you could use plants to get high on until reefer madness came out. Damn hippies.

[Death In June]

I doubt ayahuasca was the main psychotropic substance the jews were taking. While it makes sense that they were ed up on something, I think mushrooms are probably closer to the truth. In the bible, they describe mana as a bread composed of the flesh of god, which is a term that amazonian indians use to describe psyilocibin mushrooms. They describe the cultivation patterns of mana in detail and they match up reasonably well with the growth and cultivation of psyilocibin containing species. Also, the arid conditions of the desert are probably more conducive to mushroom growth than any of the 5meodmt/dmt cotaning shrubs needed to brew ayahuasca. Somewhere in the bible, though I don't remember where, they describe the experience as seeing as god does and might go a long ways in explaining why they were lost in the desert for so many years. As far as ayahuasca being compared to LSD, I don't think it's a fair comparison. LSD is laughably tame compared to DMT.

Im gonna go out on a limb and say he was fasting and hallucinated from fasting not from LCD.

This made me laugh.

[Solid D]

In the bible, they describe mana as a bread composed of the flesh of god, which is a term that amazonian indians use to describe psyilocibin mushrooms. They describe the cultivation patterns of mana in detail and they match up reasonably well with the growth and cultivation of psyilocibin containing species. Also, the arid conditions of the desert are probably more conducive to mushroom growth than any of the 5meodmt/dmt cotaning shrubs needed to brew ayahuasca..

Where? Verse and translation please.

Pure, unabashed bunk, Death In June!!!

[Fillmoe]

i just popped some vics and smoked some piff.... am i cooler now then i was 30 minutes ago?

[marini martini]

I just had a martini, took an ativan, all is cool in my world!

[Fillmoe]

you wanna give me some head now?

[marini martini]

In your dreams, sweetie pie! Night night................................

[E20]

I wonder if Marini Martini is a MILF?

[marini martini]

Nope, I'm a Gilf

Older than dirt cooler than

Feels like a number!

[Fillmoe]

dont hype ya self up..... lol

[marini martini]

Like wise A,. hole..Rotflamao!

[Fillmoe]

far from an A HOLE........ pop another ativan and calm down! lol

[marini martini]

I'm so popped, I am sayin' Goodnight! Sweetdreams!

[Fillmoe]

pzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz

[peewee's lovechild]

Just for the record, sulfur domes (aka brimstone) were found in Egypt in 2001, in the Nile river valley area (i.e. areas that would have harbored ancient egyptian cities).

No active volcanoes or techtonic hot-spots are around... the closest ones are in the northern Mediterranean Coast and the Mt Kilamanjaro area 1000 miles to the south.

But skeptics will be skeptics.... whatever.

There is a tectonic plate there.

Which also could serve to explain the parting of the sea that Moses was supposed to have done.

[peewee's lovechild]

There are 'witnesses'. They're called Jews. They even have notes called the Torah. I'm sure anyone of Jewish heritage who is up on his history would testify to the validity of those events. These are the direct decendents of those happennings from 5,000 years ago.

So you have your witnesses which I suppose means that you're now convinced. I'm impressed by your ability to accept the truth. Congratulations.








Next.

Ancient Romans believed that Reemus and Romulus (twin brothers) were breast fed by wolves after their mother died.

Later, Romulus killed his twin brother and the nation of Rome was born.

That would be an accurate historical fact, using your rationale.



The Mayans believed that the sun had sex with the moon.

Accurate historical record, according to your rationale.


I could go on and on.

[Phenomanul]

There is a tectonic plate there.

Ummmm... The Red Sea and the Nile River Valley aren't interchangeble. Again, no hot spot there. The Arabian Plate and The African Plate are moving away from each other.

Which also could serve to explain the parting of the sea that Moses was supposed to have done.

If that premise were true, it would still be amazing by all acounts. The supernatural doesn't all have to begin from scratch. Some of it can be pre-orchestrated by the Chief Architect. GOD knew enough about the geology of the area to command Moses when to raise his staff and part the Sea. That tectonic rift, however runs axially with the Red Sea not traversely - so even that theory would have its holes.

Personally, I believe it to be a literal event, one that most forget also destroyed the Pharaoh and his army.

[peewee's lovechild]

As you can see, the Red Sea and the Nile River almost converge. It's entirely plausible that there was a shift, and a subsequent lava flow that caused sulfuric deposits into the Nile.

[peewee's lovechild]

Oh, and here's some information from NASA.

I though you might find this useful:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...cano_nile.html


Historic Volcanic Eruption Shrunk the Mighty Nile River11.21.06 Volcanic eruptions in high-la udes can greatly alter climate and distant river flows, including the Nile, according to a recent study funded in part by NASA.

Researchers found that Iceland's Laki volcanic event, a series of about ten eruptions from June 1783 through February 1784, significantly changed atmospheric circulations across much of the Northern Hemisphere. This created unusual temperature and precipitation patterns that peaked in the summer of 1783, including far below normal rainfall over much of the Nile River watershed and record low river levels.

The study provides new evidence that large volcanic eruptions north of the equator often have far different impacts on climate than those in the tropics. "While considerable research has shown that eruptions in the tropics influence climate in the Northern Hemisphere winter, this study indicates that eruptions in high-la udes produce changes in atmospheric circulation in the Northern Hemisphere summer," said lead author Luke Oman, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, N.J.

Using a sophisticated computer model developed by NASA's Goddard Ins ute for Space Studies, New York, the researchers linked the Laki eruptions to a cascade of effects that rippled across much of the Northern Hemisphere, altering surface temperatures that ultimately resulted in much below normal rainfall over the Sahel of Africa and record low water levels on the Nile River for up to a year. The Sahel is a stretch of land from the Atlantic Ocean to the "Horn of Africa" that includes the Sahara Desert and savanna areas with sparse vegetation.

"These findings may help us improve our predictions of climate response following the next strong high-la ude eruption, specifically concerning changes in temperature and precipitation," said Oman. "Many societies are very dependent on seasonal precipitation for their livelihood and these predictions may ultimately allow communities time to plan for consequences, including impacts on regional food and water supplies."

The Laki event had such a significant impact on the climate because it released large amounts of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere. When combined with water vapor, the gas formed into tiny particles called aerosols that reduced incoming solar radiation, cooling the average temperature over Northern Hemisphere land masses by as much as 3 degrees Celsius (5.4 degrees Fahrenheit) in the summer of 1783, as simulated with the computer model. Tree ring data also showed significantly reduced tree growth in the summer of 1783, indicative of the coolest summer of the last 400 years in northwestern Alaska, while tree growth in parts of Siberia was the least in 500-600 years.

These unusually cool temperatures reduced the temperature difference between the land masses of Eurasia and Africa and the Indian and Atlantic oceans, weakening the African and Indian monsoon. A monsoon is a seasonal shift in wind direction and in this region marks the return of the rainy season. Without a significant temperature contrast between land and ocean, onshore winds weaken, reducing the inland transport of moisture and rainfall in the region.

In contrast to the cooling over Northern Hemisphere land masses, computer simulations showed the weakening monsoon led to an area of significant warming of 1 to 2 degrees Celsius (1.8 to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) over the Sahel of Africa, southern Arabian Peninsula, and India in the summer of 1783. The researchers believe the weaker-than-normal monsoon reduced the cloud cover in the region, allowing more of the sun's energy to reach the surface, raising temperatures and further worsening drought conditions.

Computer model simulations also showed that this reduction in cloud cover was consistent with a decline in summer precipitation. "Some of the driest weather occurred over the Nile and Niger River watersheds," said Oman. "The relative lack of cloud cover and increased temperature likely amplified evaporation, further lessening water available for run-off."

To see what effect major high-la ude volcanic eruptions have on rainfall and river levels, the researchers used records on the height of the Nile River that date back to 622 A.D. Record low Nile River water levels occurred in 1783-1784 following the Laki event. Similarly low levels were observed after the Mount Katmai, Alaska, eruption in 1912, when the Niger River was also at a record low. And in 939 A.D. there was also low Nile River flow following the Eldgjá eruption in Iceland. "Our analysis found there is less than a 3 percent chance that the Laki and Katmai low river flow events could be attributed to natural climate variability," said Oman.




Unlike the Laki and Katmai eruptions, similarly powerful eruptions in the tropics usually release aerosols high into the atmosphere, where they can spread around much of the globe for up to two years. As a result, tropical eruptions can influence climate around the world, but often in a different and less dramatic fashion. For instance, the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991 resulted in upper atmospheric warming, but the aerosols also blocked heat from the sun in the lower atmosphere, cooling surface temperatures in the subtropics. This worked to reduce the difference in temperatures from north to south, altering large-scale atmospheric circulations that resulted in changes to other areas, including warmer-than-normal winters over the Northern Hemisphere.

The study, funded by NASA, the National Science Foundation, and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, was published in the September 30, 2006, issue of the American Geophysical Union's Geophysical Research Letters.

[peewee's lovechild]

From Geology News (http://geology.com/news/labels/Volcanoes.html)



Sunday, November 26, 2006

Climate Impact of High La ude Volcanic Eruptions


Researchers in a NASA/NSF/NOAA funded study have identified connections between high la ude volcanic eruptions and periods of low water flow in African rivers. Using computer models they linked Iceland's Laki Volcanic Event (a series of about ten eruptions that occurred between June 1783 and February 1784) to the lowest water levels in the Nile River in a historical record dating back to 622 AD.

Using computer models developed by NASA they found that the Laki Volcanic Event altered surface temperature patterns that produced extremely low levels of rainfall across much of Africa. The initial atmospheric response to the eruption was a decline in global temperatures. This temperature decline produced a reduced temperature difference between land and ocean. Without that temperature contrast, onshore winds weakened and the delivery of moisture and rainfall from the ocean was severely reduced.


In addition to low flows on the Nile River during 1783 and 1784 in response to the Laki Volcanic Event, low water levels were observed on the Niger River after the Novarupta eruption of 1912, and on the Nile River after the Eldgia (Iceland) eruption of 939 AD.