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  1. #51
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    LeBron will probably match or surpass Kobe by the time LeBron is Kobe's age.
    He already has.


    That doesn't mean he's better now.
    He is better now.

    It's about which is the better player now.
    That would be Lebron.

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    Lebron is rediculous, that shot from 35-feet that he KNEW he was going to make summed up who he is right now, and may have given us a glimpse of what he can become.

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    And yet Kobe scored 81 points in a single game. Also, LeBron is getting double-digit assists with regularity, with a pretty sad team outside of perhaps Gooden. Besides, using the triangle offense argument opens the door to question the record differences between the teams. You can't say that the Lakers are that much better than the Cavs because of Kobe alone, but then give credit to the triangle for taking dimes away from Kobe. Either his teammates are good enough to warrant the more balanced attack (which means other teams can focus on Lebron more, making it harder for him to produce), or Kobe is doing it all and still not getting the assists. You can't argue for a better record as a reason for Kobe as MVP and then state that he isn't getting assists because the triangle shifts some of the focus away from him.
    Scoring is not a problem for Kobe in the triangle offense, obviously.

    And, I didn't say LeBron didn't have great court vision or amazing play making ability to create for teammates. He absolutely does. My point is that Kobe does too, even though it doesn't show up in his assist totals the same way it does for LeBron.

    I didn't say the Lakers are "that" much better than the Cavs because of Kobe alone. Where was that said? Who said that? I don't get what your point is here.

    Kobe does not do it all by himself. This season, especially with Gasol, he does have a better supporting cast than LeBron does with his Cavs.

    The triangle offers options for passes in different open areas (gaps) where the defense is softest. Players get to the open areas to get passes. Once they receive a pass in an open area, they may have an open shot or the defense reacts quickly and it usually opens up a better shot opportunity. Often times, a player like Kobe finds a player in an open area that finds another teammate who is even more open. Kobe might make the pass that leads to the assist. This isn't hockey and Kobe doesn't get an assist.

    The point of bringing up the triangle at all is to talk about it as a more structured offense and how it allows for all five players to make plays for teammates. Isolation plays at the top of the key or at the wing for LeBron James while his teammates are standing around watching him about to break a defender down off the dribble pretty much means LeBron is going to score or get the assist.

    It's not about which player has better teammates or whether teammates are good enough or not. It's about the disparity of opportunities to make plays for teammates each has.

    And, I'm not arguing that Kobe deserves the MVP more than LeBron because the Lakers have a better record. I think Kobe is the better all around player. But, it's pretty much a given that voters do take into consideration team record, whether they should or not.

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    He already has.




    He is better now.



    That would be Lebron.

    Opinion without the least bit of explanation.

    You're more than en led to it. I happen to disagree.

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    Opinion without the least bit of explanation.

    You're more than en led to it. I happen to disagree.
    My opinion is right.

    Yours is wrong.

    That is all the explanation you need.

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    My opinion is right.

    Yours is wrong.

    That is all the explanation you need.
    ha..like that works in the real world..oh yah..its the internet. the sky is red. I am right.

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    It isn't going to take Lebron 6 years to get to where Kobe is..Damn he is the second best offensive player right behind Kobe today. And the only thing that Kobe does better than Lebron is shot jumpers and free throws and play a little better defense. And how many great defenders are there out there at 23 years of age other than Dwight Howard who is a center.
    I wouldn't be surprised if LeBron is better than Kobe as soon as next year. But, right now, I still feel Kobe is better. And, if it's a question of which player is better, right now I say Kobe. And as for what else Kobe does better than LeBron on offense, Kobe is also better in the post. LeBron doesn't have much of a low post game. Kobe can score in the post. Also, there are different types of shooting. Kobe is a better set shot jump shooter, better off of pull-ups off the dribble, and slightly better at fade-aways.

    Look LeBron is amazing. I would say he's easily the second best player in the league and not very far off of Kobe at all. I simply believe Kobe is a little better right now. And, reading what you wrote, I think you agree that right now it's still Kobe.

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    Well how great of a defender was Kobe at 23 years of age?

    7-time All-Defensive Selection:
    First Team: 2000 (age 22), 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007
    Second Team: 2001, 2002

    Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team (1999-2000)

    Hope that answers your question.

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    My opinion is right.

    Yours is wrong.

    That is all the explanation you need.
    Good talk.

    You make a compelling argument.

    You should run for president.

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    pot.kettle.black.

    I fully expect to read you scolding every fan in every thread criticizing, making fun of, or discrediting any good player. Go to work.
    That's where I make a majority of my posts work aka school.


    LMAO Being an E-ASS is so fun.

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    Lebron is rediculous, that shot from 35-feet that he KNEW he was going to make summed up who he is right now, and may have given us a glimpse of what he can become.

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    ha..like that works in the real world..oh yah..its the internet. the sky is red. I am right.
    Yup.

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    It isn't going to take Lebron 6 years to get to where Kobe is..Damn he is the second best offensive player right behind Kobe today. And the only thing that Kobe does better than Lebron is shot jumpers and free throws and play a little better defense. And how many great defenders are there out there at 23 years of age other than Dwight Howard who is a center.

    Better shooter....and better DEFENSE. Those two are big factors in someones all around game. If you can shoot and defend..wow....theres not alot of people in the nba who can shoot and defend. There is Kobe, and there is __________?

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    Good talk.

    You make a compelling argument.

    You should run for president.
    It would be too easy. I need more challenge. Thats why I sit around and own mo-fos like you on the internet.

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    I LOVE IT. These guys cant put up a reasonable reason why Lebron is better than Kobe other that..."cuz i said so, im an E-ass and haha your rebuttle was 5000000 words long".

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    Kobe has been killing it for years now. I give Lebron his due, but it's old hat to Kobe. The dude averaged 36, 6, 6 and didn't win MVP because of his record, even though we had smush, kwame and Luke starting. It's about heart and passion which Kobe has in spades. Will Lebron exceed Kobe, well there's only 1 Kobe and only 1 Lebron. Let's keep it that way.

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    Hope you understand..that Kobe at 22 had Shaq and wasn't the pivotal point of offense for the Lakers. Lebron has to run the Cavs offense so, and it would be impossible for him to be a such a great defender without having another dominate player on his team.

    ok...so your saying at 25, Lebron will get in the all defense first team?

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    It would be too easy. I need more challenge. Thats why I sit around and own mo-fos like you on the internet.
    Dude, you're like 20 years old and have about as much basketball a en as my girlfriend. You were like 12 when the Lakers were winning their first chip while Kobe was ballin and feeding the diesel.

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    I LOVE IT. These guys cant put up a reasonable reason why Lebron is better than Kobe other that..."cuz i said so, im an E-ass and haha your rebuttle was 5000000 words long".
    When did I ever say Lebron was better than Kobe?

    Do I think Lebron will be better than Kobe? Yes. Do I think Lebron has done more than Kobe at his age? Yes.

    The only reason I'm busting JamStone's chops, beacuse
    A) I like being an ass to people over the internet sometimes
    B) Being serious in the internet all the time makes you look like a ing .

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    ok could be...so right now Kobe is better player overall then. When Lebron shows defense like he did against Kobe the last game in a nightly basis, then he'll be better.

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    Listen it's a toss up between the two but since Lebron is 6 years younger he will definitely surpass Kobe in the near future. Right now Kobe is a little better than Lebron in the future Lebron will be better!
    You're right...just like when Kobe dropped 40 in the 1st half vs MJ (during his last stint with the Wiz) Kobe was better than Jordan...just like Lebron will surpass Kobe in a few years. It's called time.....Thanks for your insight, as it proves nothing really.

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    It would be too easy. I need more challenge. Thats why I sit around and own mo-fos like you on the internet.

    LMAO!

    I can imagine you in your "I RULE AT THE INTERNET" t-shirt with your mesh "pnwed" baseball cap giving yourself high fives.

    Good job owning mo-fos on the internet.

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    You're right...just like when Kobe dropped 40 in the 1st half vs MJ (during his last stint with the Wiz) Kobe was better than Jordan...just like Lebron will surpass Kobe in a few years. It's called time.....Thanks for your insight, as it proves nothing really.
    That right...im sure when Kobe is 37 and Lebron is 30, Lebron will torch Kobe and break his ankles. Just like all these centers are owning Shaq...Howard is better than Shaq now....will it mean he is better than him when we look back in 30 years.

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    I love how people just take defense into consideration.

    "Okay Lebron scores more points, more rebounds, more assists, more steals, but wait that Kobe plays a little bit better defense, so Lebron." In that case Bill Russel >> Wilt Chamberlain
    Bruce Bowen >> Michael Jordan

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    And reason everyone is so damn impressed by Lebron is because he is only 23 years old! name another player at such a young age that dominates like he does..
    Not too many. Probably other greats like Magic, Oscar, Wilt. I think Grant Hill dominated in a similar fashion, although he was more of a 20 ppg, not the 25-30 ppg scorer LeBron is. Vince Carter was similarly impressive around that same age.

    But, just because some people still feel like Kobe is better than LeBron, it doesn't mean that those of us who feel that way don't think LeBron isn't amazing. He most definitely is. He's a once in a generation type talent with superhuman physical gifts. LeBron is phenomenal. Point is, so is Kobe and currently, there are some of us that still believe Kobe is the better player.

    It's akin to a debate over which Victoria Secret's model is hotter... it's not like you can really go wrong with either, and it probably comes down to personal preference.

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