Cuban is a petty tyrant

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What would you have me do to express sufficient disapproval?

I wouldn't "have you" do anything. It's okay that you are a Cuban-sucking monkey boy. You just have to deal with the accusations that it's what you are.

I mean, it's obviously not sufficient to say "I think he's wrong in this instance." You have to apparently make some sort of deeper gesture to meet with Obstucted View's approval.

Since you did NOT in fact say "I think he's wrong" but instead said "some of the ways in which he conducts the Mavericks are not admirable", I guess we'll never know.

Am I impartial? No, I tend to be happy about his financial commitment to fielding a winning team. But I'm not blind either. I can recognize when he's doing something wrong.

Nor should you be impartial. There were a lot of things wrong with the Mavericks that Mark Cuban fixed. He literally took the players that were here and turned them into a winning team just by his enthusiasm and willingness to spend a little bit of money in the right places. They became a group capable of going deep into the playoffs year after year under his leadership, and he deserves a lot of credit for that. Not as much as he has gotten, in my opinion, but he does deserve credit.

That said, I don't recall the last time you recognized when he did something wrong. I'm not even sure that banning the bloggers is "wrong". It's certainly his right to do it regardless, but it's hypocritical and petty.

Are you impartial? No, you're not ing close. And you are blind if you think he ultimately represents something bad or evil in professional sports.

I'm definitely not impartial. I don't like many of the changes in the Mavericks after he arrived, primarily the culture of whining and blaming someone for anything that happens, and his seeming inability to ever be wrong. I don't recall ever having said that he was evil, but if I did I'll retract it now and apologize.

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I wouldn't "have you" do anything. It's okay that you are a Cuban-sucking monkey boy. You just have to deal with the accusations that it's what you are.

So, in other words, I just have to deal with OV having a pole up his ass. I can do that. Thanks for the clarification.

Since you did NOT in fact say "I think he's wrong" but instead said "some of the ways in which he conducts the Mavericks are not admirable", I guess we'll never know.

Okay, I think he's wrong to ban bloggers from the locker room. Sorry if "some of the ways in which he conducts the Mavericks are not admirable" somehow led you to believe that I'm a Cuban-sucking monkey boy.

That said, I don't recall the last time you recognized when he did something wrong. I'm not even sure that banning the bloggers is "wrong". It's certainly his right to do it regardless, but it's hypocritical and petty.

So this is just an opportunity for you to pile on and reiterate your low opinion of Mark Cuban, which has been made abundantly clear many times over. Gotcha.

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Maybe it is true, and if so, it would make Cuban a sore, petty loser, but I'm not about to take Nellie and his lawyer's word for it.

Since Eddie Sefko and the Dallas Morning News didn't get sued for reporting it and quoting Mark Cuban in the article, it's hard to see how it's inaccurate. I'm trying to find a retraction or something somewhere, and can't find it.

Mark Cuban is a good basketball owner, who is looking out for his team and tries to give the fans as much as he can for their money. That said, he IS a sore, petty loser, and has a track record to prove it. You see it in the fact that he went to battle over the money with Nellie. Didn't he just pay KVH more money than he owed Nellie? Please don't try to tell me the money meant that much to him. He's got an ego to match his bank account. Probably human nature, but he puts himself out there with his decisions.

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So, in other words, I just have to deal with OV having a pole up his ass. I can do that. Thanks for the clarification.

You can't deal with the fact that anyone has a low opinion of Mark Cuban, which is why you can be counted on to swoop in to defend him whenever his name is mentioned. Sometimes I wonder if your primary reason for sticking around here is to defend his honor.

Okay, I think he's wrong to ban bloggers from the locker room. Sorry if "some of the ways in which he conducts the Mavericks are not admirable" somehow led you to believe that I'm a Cuban-sucking monkey boy.

I think he's wrong, too, even though I think he's within his rights to do it, particularly if the blogger in question isn't doing anything other than trying to tear the team down. His responsibility is to the players in the locker room and the fans who pay money, not to the freedom of the press.

Believe me, you were a Cuban-sucking monkey boy LONG before the "not admirable" quote. Sorry if I failed to make that clear.

So this is just an opportunity for you to pile on and reiterate your low opinion of Mark Cuban, which has been made abundantly clear many times over. Gotcha.

Yeah, I keep going out and digging up all these hit pieces on the things Mark Cuban does. That's also why I start all the threads.

My resentment of Mark Cuban started with the undeserved credit he received for the development of the team. That horse is long dead, as the current team is very much of his making. My current opinion of him is a result of the things that he does and says, on and off the court. I know the record of the Mavericks eclipses anything else in your world, and allows you to forgive anything he does. I'm not sure why you feel you have to be in what looks like lock step with his questionable decisions in order to be considered a good Mavericks fan. Maybe you actually agree with all of them, but your track record shows you to be smart enough to know better.

I hope I don't find out someday that you are actually Mark Cuban hanging out on this website. Have you ever said anything about the Riverwalk?

[Findog]

Since Eddie Sefko and the Dallas Morning News didn't get sued for reporting it and quoting Mark Cuban in the article, it's hard to see how it's inaccurate. I'm trying to find a retraction or something somewhere, and can't find it.

I don't see how he could sue them for libel and slander when they were simply reporting what Nellie's lawyer said. They weren't reporting it as iron-clad fact, it was just the bloggers and messageboards that ran with it as such. Maybe it's true, but if Obstructed View ever gets sued, I'll be sure to go solely on what the other party's lawyer says and not wait for the legal proceedings to run its course.

Mark Cuban is a good basketball owner, who is looking out for his team and tries to give the fans as much as he can for their money. That said, he IS a sore, petty loser, and has a track record to prove it. You see it in the fact that he went to battle over the money with Nellie. Didn't he just pay KVH more money than he owed Nellie? Please don't try to tell me the money meant that much to him. He's got an ego to match his bank account. Probably human nature, but he puts himself out there with his decisions

Cuban's actions against Nellie lend himself to the charges of being petty and small. That said, if your coach quit on you and continued to give less than 100% effort while still drawing a paycheck, at at a time when your expectations were to win a le or come close, would you be big enough and strong enough to not get upset when that coach insisted you pay him all deferred compensation after he had just finished half a season not doing his job? It seems to me that the arbitration is to settle out their competing legal and financial grievances against one another. Cuban inherited all assets and liabilities when he bought the team, and he needs to put aside his personal distaste for Nellie and uphold his obligations, but don't feed me this poor Nellie crap.

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You can't deal with the fact that anyone has a low opinion of Mark Cuban,

I don't care if Spurs fans hate the guy because he talks trash about the Riverwalk or does the Andy Kauffman routine and plays the role of a heel. That's part of a rivalry. I wouldn't expects Spurs fans or anyone else to sing hosannahs about him. What I can't deal with is inaccurate criticism, like "Cuban sued Nellie for using inside information," when there is no evidence that he did any such thing, unless you don't believe in the legal process and think Nellie's lawyer speaks the gospel. It's the same thing with people labeling Dirk a soft pussy choker. I don't care if opposing fans don't like Dirk, that's part of being a fan. What I can't deal with is when people put that label on him and cherrypick his failures without ever acknowledging his successes. No, he doesn't have the killer instinct of a Bird, Jordan or Magic. But it's especially galling to hear from Spurs fans that's he's 100% not clutch and has NEVER come through for his team when they needed him.

Sometimes I wonder if your primary reason for sticking around here is to defend his honor.

No, my primary reason to be here is to talk hoops, and if my team is attacked unfairly, then to defend it within reason. You would do the same thing.

I know the record of the Mavericks eclipses anything else in your world, and allows you to forgive anything he does.

And you wonder why I get irritated when you make blanket statements like this.

I'm not sure why you feel you have to be in what looks like lock step with his questionable decisions in order to be considered a good Mavericks fan.

And how am I in lockstep? Have you ever considered that on a Spurs board, I might be encountering statements that are factually inaccurate? And that against better judgment of leaving my keyboard alone, I might feel compelled to correct the record as best as I see it?

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I don't care if Spurs fans hate the guy because he talks trash about the Riverwalk or does the Andy Kauffman routine and plays the role of a heel

When you paint his having said something stupid like it's somehow really clever and calculating, even though he has a track record of being neither, be prepared to draw a rolling of eyes.

What I can't deal with is inaccurate criticism, like "Cuban sued Nellie for using inside information," when there is no evidence that he did any such thing, unless you don't believe in the legal process and think Nellie's lawyer speaks the gospel.

It wasn't a suit, it was a counterclaim in arbitration. The Dallas Morning News reported it, and the complete lack of any denial from Cuban is kind of damning. It has nothing to do with my belief in the legal process.

It's the same thing with people labeling Dirk a soft pussy choker. I don't care if opposing fans don't like Dirk, that's part of being a fan. What I can't deal with is when people put that label on him and cherrypick his failures without ever acknowledging his successes. No, he doesn't have the killer instinct of a Bird, Jordan or Magic. But it's especially galling to hear from Spurs fans that's he's 100% not clutch and has NEVER come through for his team when they needed him.

Yeah, that's stupid. Dirk's hugely underrated. Since those charges rarely come from fans with any kind of basketball knowledge, it's pretty much not worth the time to argue.

No, my primary reason to be here is to talk hoops, and if my team is attacked unfairly, then to defend it within reason. You would do the same thing.

Okay. Peter Holt was having a reaction to prescription medication, and the newspapers were out to get him. Happy?

Gotta go meet someone for lunch. We'll continue this later.

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Did someone really say Jennifer Engle is okay on the radio?

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Did someone really say Jennifer Engle is okay on the radio?

Yes. I would say Jennifer Floyd Engle is okay in a concentration camp, but other than that....

[G-Nob]

Did someone really say Jennifer Engle is okay on the radio?

I don't think "JCE" is that bad.