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Vince Carter is NOT a HOFer.
Barring injuries they will all make it for sure. D-Wade may not get in if he keeps getting hurt.
Vince Carter is NOT a HOFer.
I don't think he is even close. If it took Dominique Wilkins 2 tries to get in, how does anyone let Vince Carter get in at all???
8. Vince Carter 0.9401 <--- what has this prima dona done?
11. Paul Pierce 0.8487 <--- he's good but not that good
12. Ray Allen 0.8145 <---- don't know
13. Grant Hill 0.6997 <----- Never really did anything but be injured
14. Chris Webber 0.6594 <------ hmmm..
15. Gilbert Arenas 0.5708 <---- too young to be considered
Terrible list...
ray allen
see reggie miller
Yeah that.
O'Neal, Duncan, Kobe, and Manu are the only active players I think will reach the hall of fame.
O'Neal, Duncan and Kobe only NBA players who would make it tomorrow if they retired. Manu should do, but more so due to his international duties.
Garnett, Dirk, Nash are good players but other than MVP what have they actually achieved? Iverson would be more so than them he led his teams to the finals basically by himself and MVP. Neither Kidd or Dirk can't say he's done that.
What did Gervin achieved? Is he in the HOF?
EDIT:
Garnett and Dirk being bigmen the "what have they achieved" question is legitimate but IMO it is unfair to evaluate guards like that.
Last edited by mathbzh; 03-12-2008 at 06:15 AM.
Iverson led his team to the Finals by himslef but back then, the Eastern Conference was even weaker than today.
The Finals proved it
Tell that to Dennis Johnson
Wow find another team with more on the list, especially in the top 32.
2. Tim Duncan 1.0000
16. Tony Parker 0.3668
27. Manu Ginobili 0.0542
31. Robert Horry 0.0288
32. Michael Finley 0.0283
45. Damon Stoudamire 0.0075
Very funny that Marion is #20 and the only Stoudamire on the list is Damon.
Last edited by MajorMike; 03-12-2008 at 08:36 AM.
Bogus list
You mean the 6ers being the only team to actually have beaten the Lakers in the playoffs that year?
Nowitzki and Nash are locks. Both were MVPs, both were dominant offensive players and multiple all-stars. Both have led their teams to relative success in the playoffs, and to top things off, both improved their country's basketball teams dramatically with their presence (especially Nowitzki).
Anybody who say that they do not belong to the HoF is a blind homer.
Agreed, that's how I'd qualify a NBA HOF (rules are different for foreign HOF players/coach).
And Iverson is close to qualifying at #2 as well
Last edited by bobbybob0; 03-12-2008 at 11:43 AM.
An argument that Kevin Garnett is not a Hall of Famer is beyond ludicrous. Yes, his teams haven't had great playoff success -- that's likely to change this year -- but that doesn't diminish the fact that he's clearly a top-5 player in the post-Jordan era (Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Garnett, Iverson) and undoubtedly one of the 60 or so greatest players to ever play the game. Guys like that are locks for the Hall of Fame. Add to his MVP award the fact that Garnett has been on multiple All-NBA and All-Defense teams and has been a perennial All-Star while consistently being among the league leaders in multiple categories and a consistent top-10 finisher in the MVP voting and I have a really hard time understanding how anyone other than the most ardent hater could think he's not going to the Hall of Fame.
KG, AI, Dirk, Nash and Kidd are lock for the HOF
Gino also for his international career.
Yao probably for is huge impact on the world wide basketball market.
For the other players I don't really know.
All on list will make it. The basketball HOF is not unlike collecting enough boxtops of a certain cereal in order to qualify. It is by far the easiest HOF to get into of any sport.
Check out the list of HOFers:
Half of the names are probably not even known to 90% of all of us in here. No other sport would have this many unknowns enshrined.
A B
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Player
*Forrest Clare Allen, Coach
*W. Harold Anderson, Coach
Nathaniel Archibald, Player
*Paul J. Arizin, Player
*Arnold J. Auerbach, Coach
Geno Auriemma, Coach
*Thomas B. Barlow, Player
Leon Barmore, Coach
Charles Barkley, Player
*Justin M. (Sam) Barry, Coach
Richard F. Barry, Player
Elgin Baylor, Player
*John Beckman, Player
*Clair F. Bee, Contributor
Walter Bellamy, Player
Sergei Belov, Player
*Senda Berenson Abbott, Contributor
*Danny Biasone, Contributor
David Bing, Player
Larry Bird, Player
Carol Blazejowski, Player
*Ernest A. Blood, Coach
Jim Boeheim, Coach
*Bernard Borgmann, Player
William W. Bradley, Player
Hubert “Hubie” Brown, Contributer
*Joseph R. Brennan, Player
Larry Brown, Coach
*Walter A. Brown, Contributor
Buffalo Germans
*John W. Bunn, Contributor
C D
*Howard G. Cann, Coach
Jim Calhoun, Coach
*Henry Clifford Carlson, Coach
Louis P. Carnesecca, Coach
Bernard L. Carnevale, Coach
Pete Carril, Coach
*Everett N. Case, Coach
Original Celtics
Alfred N. Cervi, Player
*Wilton N. Chamberlain, Player
Van Chancellor, Coach
John Chaney, Coach
Jerry Colangelo, Contributor
Jody Conradt, Coach
*Charles T. Cooper, Player
*Kresimir Cosic, Player
Robert J. Cousy, Player
David W. Cowens, Player
Joan Crawford, Player
Denzil (Denny) E. Crum, Coach
William J. Cunningham, Player
Denise Curry, Player
Drazen Dalipagic, Player
Charles J. Daly, Coach
*Robert E. Davies, Player
*Everett S. Dean, Coach
*Forrest S. DeBernardi, Player
*David A. DeBusschere, Player
*Henry G. Dehnert, Player
*Antonio Diaz-Miguel, Coach
*Edgar A. Diddle, Coach
Anne Donovan, Player
*Robert L. Douglas, Contributor
*Bruce Drake, Coach
Clyde Drexler, Player
*Alva O. Duer, Contributor
Joe Dumars, Player
E F
Wayne Embry, Contributor
*Paul Endacott, Player
Alex English, Player
*James E. Enright, Referee
Julius W. Erving, Player
*Clifford B. an, Contributor
Pedro Ferrandiz, Coach
The First Team
*Harry A. Fisher, Contributor
*Lawrence Fleisher, Contributor
*Harold E. Foster, Player
Walter Frazier, Player
*Max Friedman, Player
*Joseph F. Fulks, Player
G H
Sandro Gamba, Coach
*Clarence E. Gaines, Coach
David Gavitt, Contributer
*Lauren Gale, Player
Harry J. Gallatin, Player
*James H. (Jack) Gardner, Coach
*William "Pop" Gates, Player
George Gervin, Player
*Amory T. Gill, Coach
Thomas J. Gola, Player
*Aleksandr Gomelsky, Coach
Gail Goodrich, Player
*Edward Gottlieb, Contributor
Harold E. Greer, Player
*Robert F. Gruenig, Player
*Sue Gunter, Coach
*Dr. Luther Gulick, Contributor
Clifford O. Hagan, Player
*Alexander (Alex) Hannum, Coach
*Victor A. Hanson, Player
Harlem Globetrotters, Team
Lusia Harris-Stewart, Player
*Lester Harrison, Contributor
Marv K. Harshman, Coach
Don Haskins, Coach
John Havlicek, Player
Cornelius L. Hawkins, Player
Elvin E. Hayes, Player
Marques Haynes, Player
Thomas W. Heinsohn, Player
*George T. Hepbron, Referee
*Ferenc Hepp, Contributor
*Chick Hearn, Contributor
*Edgar S. Hickey, Coach
*Edward J. Hickox, Contributor
*Paul D. Hinkle, Contributor
*Howard A. Hobson, Coach
*Nat Holman, Player
*William "Red" Holzman, Coach
Robert J. Houbregs, Player
Bailey Howell, Player
*George H. Hoyt, Referee
*Charles D. Hyatt, Player
I J
*Henry P. Iba, Coach
*Edward S. Irish, Contributor
Daniel P. Issel, Player
Phil Jackson, Coach
*Harry (Buddy) Jeannette, Player
*William C. Johnson, Player
*Donald Neil Johnston, Player
Earvin "Magic" Johnson, Player
K. C. Jones, Player
*R. William Jones, Contributor
Samuel (Sam) Jones, Player
*Alvin F. Julian, Coach
K L
*Frank W. Keaney, Coach
*J. Walter Kennedy, Contributor
*Matthew P. Kennedy, Referee
*George E. Keogan, Coach
Robert M. Knight, Coach
*Edward W. Krause, Player
Mike Krzyzewski, Coach
John Kundla, Coach
Robert A. Kurland, Player
*Ward L. Lambert, Coach
Robert J. Lanier, Player
*Joe Lapchick, Player
*Lloyd R. Leith, Referee
Meadowlark Lemon, Contributor
Nancy Lieberman, Player
*Emil S. Liston, Contributor
*Harry Litwack, Coach
Earl Lloyd, Contributor
*Kenneth D. Loeffler, Coach
*Arthur C. Lonborg, Coach
Clyde E. Lovellette, Player
Jerry R. Lucas, Player
*Angelo Luisetti, Player
M N
Edward C. Macauley, Player
Moses Malone, Player
Hortencia Marcari, Player
*Peter P. Maravich, Player
Slater N. Martin, Player
Robert McAdoo, Player
*Branch McCracken, Player
*Jack McCracken, Player
*Arad A. McCutchan, Coach
*Robert McDermott, Player
*Alfred J. McGuire, Coach
*Frank J. McGuire, Coach
Richard S. McGuire, Player
Kevin McHale, Player
*John B. McLendon, Jr., Coach
*Walter E. Meanwell, M.D., Coach
Dino Meneghin, Player
*Raymond J. Meyer, Coach
Ann E. Meyers, Player
* Zigmund "Red" Mihalik, Referee
*George L. Mikan, Player
Vern Mikkelsen, Player
Cheryl Miller, Player
*Ralph H. Miller, Coach
*William G. Mokray, Contributor
Vernon Earl Monroe, Player
Billie Moore, Coach
*Ralph Morgan, Contributor
*Frank Morgenweck, Contributor
Calvin J. Murphy, Player
*Charles C. Murphy, Player
*Dr. James Naismith, Contributor
New York Rens
Peter F. Newell, Coach
Charles Newton, Contributor
*Aleksandar Nikolic, Coach
Mirko Novosel, Coach
*John P. Nucatola, Referee
O P
*John J. O'Brien, Contributor
*Lawrence F. O'Brien, Contributor
*Harold G. Olsen, Contributor
Lute Olson, Coach
*Harlan O. Page, Player
Robert Parish, Player
*Drazen Petrovic, Player
Robert L. Pet , Player
*Andy Phillip, Player
*Maurice Podoloff, Contributor
*James C. Pollard, Player
*Henry V. Porter, Contributor
Q R
*Ernest C. Quigley, Referee
John (Jack) T. Ramsay, Coach
Frank V. Ramsey, Jr., Player
Willis Reed, Jr., Player
*William A. Reid, Contributor
*Elmer H. Ripley, Contributor
Arnold (Arnie) Risen, Player
Oscar P. Robertson, Player
*John S. Roosma, Player
Cesare Rubini, Coach
*Marvin "Mendy" Rudolph, Referee
*Adolph F. Rupp, Coach
*John D. Russell, Player
William F. Russell, Player
S T
*Leonard D. Sachs, Coach
*Lynn W. St. John, Contributor
*Abraham Saperstein, Contributor
*Arthur A. Schabinger, Contributor
Adolph Schayes, Player
*Ernest J. Schmidt, Player
*John J. Schommer, Player
*Barney Sedran, Player
Uljana Semjonova, Player
+ Bill W. Sharman, Player
+ Bill W. Sharman, Coach
*Everett F. Shelton, Coach
*J. Dallas Shirley, Referee
Dean E. Smith, Coach
*Amos Alonzo Stagg, Contributor
Borislav Stankovic, Contributor
*Christian Steinmetz, Player
*Edward S. Steitz, Contributor
*Maurice Stokes, Player
*Earl Strom, Referee
Pat Head Summitt, Coach
*Charles H. Taylor, Contributor
*Fred R. Taylor, Coach
*Bertha F. Teague, Contributor
Texas Western, Team
Isiah Thomas, Player
David Thompson, Player
John Thompson, Coach
*John A. Thompson, Player
Nate Thurmond, Player
*David Tobey, Referee
*Oswald Tower, Contributor
*Arthur L. Trester, Contributor
John (Jack) K. Twyman, Player
lovely U V
Westley S. Unseld, Player
*Robert P. Vandivier, Player
W Y
*Edward A. Wachter, Player
*L. Margaret Wade, Coach
*David H. Walsh, Referee
William T. Walton, Player
Robert Wanzer, Player
*Stanley H. Watts, Coach
*W. R. Clifford Wells, Contributor
Jerry A. West, Player
Nera D. White, Player
*Louis G. Wilke, Contributor
+Leonard (Lenny) WilkensPlayer
+Leonard (Lenny) WilkensCoach
Dominique Wilkins Player
Roy Williams, Coach
Lynette Woodard, Player
Morgan Wootten, Coach
+John R. WoodenPlayer
+John R. WoodenCoach
*Phil Woolpert, Coach
James Worthy, Player
*George Yardley, Player
Kay Yow, Coach
Z
*Fred Zollner, Contributor
*Deceased
marbury and francis are 18 & 19
How the did Calvin Murphy make it in? And where's Artis?
there is an anti-ABA bias at the Hall-of-Shame.
I sent an email to Artis Gilmore last year, expressing my concern that he had not been enshrined. I also offered to write a letter to David Stern in support of the A-Train.
I got a letter back from Artis' reresentative thanking me for my offer, but I am told it will be a few years yet before Artis is again eligible to be enshrined.
Artis and the Hall of Fame
http://www.artisgilmore.com/Artis_Hall_of_Fame.html
"What the experts are saying about Artis"
HALL OF FAME?
READ WHY THE EXPERTS SAY YES...
Still Waiting for Hall of Fame Call
http://www.artisgilmore.com/Hall_of_..._friedman.html
Calvin Murphy made it, at least in part, because he was a tremendous collegiate player at Niagara. He was a 3-time All-America player and was one of the most prolific scorers on a per game basis in NCAA history. I would absolutely agree that his NBA career didn't warrant enshrinement, but neither did Bill Bradley's.
In truth, the historical precedents that exist in some of these cases make Basketball Hall of Fame arguments really hard to make. Based on the precedents of Murphy and Bradley, there's no way in that a guy like Christian Laettner should be excluded -- Laettner is arguably the most accomplished male collegiate basketball player since the mid-80's. Like Murphy and Bradley, he had a decent (but not great NBA career) that included one All-Star appearance. On top of that, he matches Bradley in international accomplishments to some extent, having been a part of the original Dream Team and winning gold at Barcelona. I don't see how Murphy and Bradley can be in and Laettner excluded, but I suspect that will happen.
You'd think Laettner would make the Hall-of-fame based on his college play alone. He is the all-time leading scorer in NCAA tournament history.
He won the famous Kentucky game with a last second shot. He also won the Connecticut game as a freshman, putting Duke in the Final Four, with a last second shot.
His most amazing game ever was the 1991 semi-finals against the Runnin' Rebels of UNLV. Duke was a 10 point underdog.
Laettner's collegiate legacy is more than just a couple of memorable games, but I think you're right in a general sense. I just have my doubts that Laettner will get there in the current sports environment, where his collegiate feats have largely been drowned out by the cries of "bust" to describe his NBA career. I think it will be difficult for Americans who are average to slightly-above average NBA players to reach the Hall any more, even if they were among the greatest collegiate players ever. The trend seems more towards excluding guys who were great in college but didn't do a great deal in the NBA -- Ralph Sampson probably has a really good Hall argument, too, based on some of the precedent that exists (he won the Naismith Award three times, the Wooden Award twice, and was First Team All-America three straight seasons -- more than could be said for Murphy, Bradley, or Laettner), but it would shock me if he was ever enshrined.
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