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    The Lakers ended the same way. Most dynasties do. It just gets harder and harder to replenish the role players with very low draft picks, salaries filling up the luxury tax, and no one wanting to deal with you. Houston added Barkley and Pippen; Los Angeles added Malone and Payton.

    In the second case, it almost worked. But even with Kobe and Shaq still in their primes, it was the decaying roster around them. We sure look like the 2003 Lakers right now, with Slava Medvedenko and Brian Cook out there, except ours are graceless old farts.

    This was always the issue. We knew this team had to be retooled in a significant way LAST year, but managed to win the championship, anyway. Then this summer was pegged as the reload, since so many contracts come off the books (although we don't clear any cap space), and we'd cross our fingers and hope savvy and willpower would get us a back-to-back. It's looking bleak at the moment, but hopefully we can turn it around.

    Meanwhile, the future... Splitter and Mahinmi will have very little seasoning next year, and we can't expect big returns for them until another two or three years down the line. Any rookies we might draft and, conceivably, are any good at all, will take just as long, unless we draft a good domestic player, which has never happened before. We can sign James Jones and tinker with the roster, but I expect many of the pieces we're depending on this season to still be in place. In short, there are no quick fixes. I'd expect them to go for V-Span, simply because there is no better option, although apparently he's an ass. Otherwise, we'll grind another year with too many old players and a small passel of way-too-young players.

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    What are you talking about?!?

    Spliter will be coming over next season. Same with Mahnimi. Tiago is 23. Ian is 21. Both play the post position. Bonner is reletively young. Tim isn't acient by any means. Oberto is getting up there. Thomas would be nice as a good veteran. That should shore up the front court.

    Yes, the backcourt is in need of a youth injection. It would be nice if Marcus Williams continues his progress, but I won't hold my breath.
    That being said, either Barry or Finley will be back next season. I'd imagine Vaughn will return too. That leaves about 3 spots which need to be filled. We have enough wiggle room to sign a decent contributor, then a couple of fillers, maybe prospects.

    Personally, I'd be more concerned if I were Houston. Unfortunately for the Rockets, they have had a history of injuries.
    I'd say this is Finley's last year, and Barry will return.

    They will have the MLE wich they will use to go after guys like Jones, Moon, guys of that ilk. Maybe try and beg Maggette to take the MLE for two years for promises of rings and a later payday (pie in the sky thinking sure, but gotta start somewhere)

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    Splitter and Mahinmi will have very little seasoning next year
    Mahinmi yes. Splitter, no.

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    I think Splitter's contribution will be pretty significant right off the bat. Ian might shift between SA and Austin throughout the season.

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    Agreed, Splitter is better than people think he is.

    IMO he will start off as the primary big off the bench, but pushes and maybe passes Thomas (hopefully hes brought back) for the starting spot.

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    The Spurs will always be a good team as long as the Big 3 are out there on the floor. But I think we've seen the last of their le runs.

    There is a changing of the guard happening in the WC and teams like LAL, HOU, NOR, POR, and UTAH are starting to emerge while PHX/DAL/SAS are on the decline.

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    blah blah blah blah, the kids left me out of playing on the playground again so im sitting here with no life on the forum blah blah blah.

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    The Lakers ended the same way. Most dynasties do. It just gets harder and harder to replenish the role players with very low draft picks, salaries filling up the luxury tax, and no one wanting to deal with you. Houston added Barkley and Pippen; Los Angeles added Malone and Payton.

    In the second case, it almost worked. But even with Kobe and Shaq still in their primes, it was the decaying roster around them. We sure look like the 2003 Lakers right now, with Slava Medvedenko and Brian Cook out there, except ours are graceless old farts.

    This was always the issue. We knew this team had to be retooled in a significant way LAST year, but managed to win the championship, anyway. Then this summer was pegged as the reload, since so many contracts come off the books (although we don't clear any cap space), and we'd cross our fingers and hope savvy and willpower would get us a back-to-back. It's looking bleak at the moment, but hopefully we can turn it around.

    Meanwhile, the future... Splitter and Mahinmi will have very little seasoning next year, and we can't expect big returns for them until another two or three years down the line. Any rookies we might draft and, conceivably, are any good at all, will take just as long, unless we draft a good domestic player, which has never happened before. We can sign James Jones and tinker with the roster, but I expect many of the pieces we're depending on this season to still be in place. In short, there are no quick fixes. I'd expect them to go for V-Span, simply because there is no better option, although apparently he's an ass. Otherwise, we'll grind another year with too many old players and a small passel of way-too-young players.
    ^what he said. it's impossible to keep dynasties up forever.

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    Why are rocketfans and lakerfans posting here?

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    Well apparently we are hitting a nerve here, Spurs fans don't want to admit the truth of the situation.

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    Why are rocketfans and lakerfans posting here?

    Because their parents don't hug them enough?

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    Well apparently we are hitting a nerve here, Spurs fans don't want to admit the truth of the situation.
    It could very well be true -- it is something I accepted long ago when DRob retired -- but that doesn't answer my question

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    Sure, but Olajuwon was 34 during the Rockets' last deep playoff run. You can't tell me that there's no difference between a 34-year old big man who relies on athleticism and a barely 32-year old big man who's game has very little to do with athleticism.
    I'm not saying that. I just hate it when homers exaggerate the numbers a bit to prove their point. Use the actual numbers. For instance, being a Suns fan, I could say the Suns aren't that old! They have a 33 or 34 year old point guard in Nash, a 30 or 31 year old shooting guard in Bell, a 35 or 36 year old center in Shaq, and guys like Diaw, Amare, and Barbosa that are around 24!

    Or with stats. When people try to downgrade Nash they always say he averaged like 18 and 10 his MVP year. Generally 18.8 would be rounded up, but no, change the statistics a bit to help your cause. Dumb.

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    I'm not saying that. I just hate it when homers exaggerate the numbers a bit to prove their point. Use the actual numbers. For instance, being a Suns fan, I could say the Suns aren't that old! They have a 33 or 34 year old point guard in Nash, a 30 or 31 year old shooting guard in Bell, a 35 or 36 year old center in Shaq, and guys like Diaw, Amare, and Barbosa that are around 24!

    Or with stats. When people try to downgrade Nash they always say he averaged like 18 and 10 his MVP year. Generally 18.8 would be rounded up, but no, change the statistics a bit to help your cause. Dumb.

    God, wheres the billy madison you tube clip...

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    I'm not saying that. I just hate it when homers exaggerate the numbers a bit to prove their point.
    He said 30 or 31. He simply wasn't sure.

    Turns out he's 31.

    Please get over yourself.

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    Guys, I am not trolling here, I just wanted a legitimate conversation.

    Body,

    If you guys sign V-Span it would be a HUGE move for the Spurs, that guy got screwed over worse than any Houston Rocket I can ever remember. He got caught in a power struggle between the coach (who didn't like Euros) and the GM (who saw the direction the league was heading), and he basically became a punching bag for JVG.

    Very sad, the guy can flat out play...especially from the PnR stand point, he is an attacking PG/SG....and plays excellent defense on the perimeter.

    And again, I was just pointing out that it seems the Spurs are finally vulnerable......and I am under no illusions, even though we have won 21 in a row, it would be monumental to succeed in the playoffs without Yao.

    I am hoping this is setting us up and building confidence for next year.

    DD

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    No, they don't.

    It's easy to say like that at times like these when we don't look 100%. In reality this stuff doesn't even enter the brain when we win does it?

    Course not.

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    When was Duncan ever explosive?

    His averages are down, due to Parker and Ginobili's averages being up.

    Theres only one basketball stat kid.
    Ginobli and Parker effect his FG% and rebounding averages too?

    DD

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    Ginobli and Parker effect his FG% and rebounding averages too?

    DD
    Yup.

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    Ginobli and Parker effect his FG% and rebounding averages too?

    DD
    Ginobili and Parker are having career highs in rebounding this season.

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    Ginobili and Parker are having career highs in rebounding this season.
    Fair enough.

    So that is why you guys think TD's rebounding numbers are down is because Ginobli and Parker are taking some away?

    Or is it the flip side, where they have to get them because TD can't do it anymore?



    JKidding.

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    Fair enough.

    So that is why you guys think TD's rebounding numbers are down is because Ginobli and Parker are taking some away?

    Or is it the flip side, where they have to get them because TD can't do it anymore?



    JKidding.

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    Duncan's rebounding is up this season.

    Why do you have to lie?

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    Fair enough.

    So that is why you guys think TD's rebounding numbers are his best since the 03-04 season is because Ginobli and Parker are taking some away?
    That's better.

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    KG is old.

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