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    I'm sorry I was incorrect on the scale of what I said. It was $300,000 a day on peak days. Some months can be 5-7 million $.
    With that scale of usage, they are throwing away money with CPS. They probably are the single largest user in Texas still buying power from a public utility, and thus are hemorrhaging tens of millions per year.

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    There is really no long term incentive to doing windmills in west texas.

    They look like great ideas in the short term and the government pays you big subsidies for them.

    But they kill birds, and the actual death of the birds isn't a big deal, it's that in order for the windmills to work properly and efficiently, they have to be clean.

    So what ends up happening? They clean the windmills, with detergent and chemicals.

    No thanks, as a former owner of a lot of land in West Texas, I'm just not interested in getting a bunch of money up front and then having the same people that encouraged me to build windmills take that same money away from me or my family 50 years later because the ridge where my wind bank was now is a chemical waste dump.
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    With that scale of usage, they are throwing away money with CPS. They probably are the single largest user in Texas still buying power from a public utility, and thus are hemorrhaging tens of millions per year.
    That figure was for PEAK output. It was much less on a regular basis. Call them and ask for current figures if you would like to.

    The neat part of the recycling proccess involves lowering large steel elctrodes into these huge cauldrons filled with scrap metal. The elctrodes glow like a huge arc welder. The elctrodes are like 12 feet long or so by a little more than a foot in diameter and are melted as they liquify the scrap metal in the pots. It's a very hot, loud, and noisey thing to witness. It's interesting to watch the molten steel boil and bubble as it is heated and trace elements are added.

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    That figure was for PEAK output. It was much less on a regular basis. Call them and ask for current figures if you would like to.
    Oh. In that case, yeah, they're running their business the right way.

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    Martin Luther King, Jr. was a great man.

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    Martin Luther King, Jr. was a great man.
    and manny plans to use his day to try to get support for his cause..very respectful.

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    Heh, yes, because a BETTER way to honor an activist would be to ignore the issues important to me. I'm sure that's what King would have wanted.

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    Before King there was me, the real king.

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    Be careful Manny! This could happen to you Walking through the woods, a man comes up to another man hugging a tree with his ear firmly against the tree. Seeing this he inquires, "Just out of curiosity, what the heck are you doing?" "I'm listening to the music of the tree." "You gotta be kiddin' me." "No, would you like to give it a try?" "Well, OK..." So he wraps his arms around the tree and presses his ear up against the tree. With this the other guy slaps a set of hand cuffs on him, takes his wallet, jewelry, car keys, then strips him bare ass naked and leaves.
    Two hours later another nature lover strolls by, sees this guy
    handcuffed to the tree, bare ass naked, and asked, "What the heck happened to you?" He tells the guy the whole story about how he got there. While he was telling his story, the other guy shakes his head in sympathy, walks around behind him, kisses him behind the ear and says..."Ya know sweetheart, this just ain't your day."

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    Heh, yes, because a BETTER way to honor an activist would be to ignore the issues important to me. I'm sure that's what King would have wanted.
    i never knew MLK jr was a big environmentalist. i'm sure he'd think you were a schmuck for using his day of rememberance to fight for something other than he died for....

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    Yes, because the man who's words below would not think this was something worth fighting for.

    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

    Our nettlesome task is to discover how to organize our strength into compelling power.

    A man who won't die for something is not fit to live.

    There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society, with a large segment of people in that society, who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that they have nothing to lose. People who have a stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it.
    The more you post, the more it becomes obvious that you have very little idea what ideals King stood for outside of the context of racial equality.

    It's not about enviromentalism, it's about standing up for something believed in.

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    Yes, because the man who's words below would not think this was something worth fighting for.



    The more you post, the more it becomes obvious that you have very little idea what ideals King stood for outside of the context of racial equality.

    It's not about enviromentalism, it's about standing up for something believed in.
    I have nothing against your message, but I find the day you're choosing to spread it puzzling for two reasons. I just don't know how many of the other people who will marching/celebrating will accept you and your group spreading a message that is not quite in the same spirit as the holiday was orignally envisioned. I also question your picking that for the simple reason that the statement you're trying to make will most likely get lost in the much bigger festivities that will be going on. It would be akin to whispering at a Spurs game after a Rasho dunk.

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    Once again, you guys need to actually go to an MLK march. There's a reason this day is being selected.

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    And I'm not being an asshole, but since I don't expect any of you to be out there in a few hours, here's some enlightenment.

    King's mission is remembered

    Web Posted: 01/17/2005 12:00 AM CST

    Simone Sebastian
    Express-News Staff Writer

    On the day of the week once deemed America's most segregated, people from an array of religions, races and political persuasions gathered in San Antonio churches and on street corners Sunday to prepare for a common dream.


    Inside the doors of Trinity Baptist Church, traditional Sikh turbans rose above the pews alongside the colorful, ornate hats common in black churches during an annual interfaith sermon celebrating the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

    Elsewhere, activists painted signs and people reaffirmed their convictions for equal rights in preparation for San Antonio's annual march down Martin Luther King Drive today.

    As many as 70,000 people are expected to join the Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade for civil rights and social issues, the holiday's largest march in the United States.

    The Rev. Claude Black rejoiced in the Trinity Baptist congregation's diversity during the 18th annual interfaith service, held in King's honor. He also recalled the San Antonio of the 1960s, when he entered the Majestic Theatre through its back door and avoided Alamo Heights after dark, fearing retaliation from police.

    Though things have changed, he said, people must still be reminded to look beyond differences to discover common goals.

    "We have these celebrations, we talk about Martin Luther's dreams, we talk about everything Martin Luther King ever did," Black preached to a standing ovation. "We've used that dream up. It's time for us to do some of our own dreaming."

    Huddling beneath fleece blankets outside the Eastside Boys & Girls Club later Sunday night, those who only know King's convictions through history books traded ideas by candlelight on how to keep the civil rights leader's mission alive.

    "You shouldn't judge people by their race," 10-year-old Montranique Peralta said.

    At the Esperanza Peace and Justice Center, volunteers sat around a long table topped with buckets of markers and paint and large sheets of poster board, imagining new ways to declare the organization's anti-war cause through signs at today's march.

    Executive Director Graciela Sánchez said the march's meaning, like King's social impact, stretches beyond the issues that the famed civil rights leader is best known for.

    "Martin Luther King was an anti-war activist. This is where he was going in his last years," she said as volunteers considered a sign that read, in thin black letters, "Negotiate Don't Bomb!"
    Changing MLK March still biggest

    Web Posted: 01/16/2005 12:00 AM CST

    Lisa Marie Gómez
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    The route has changed and its purpose has widened, but the stature of San Antonio's MLK March remains the same — the largest in the nation.

    Almost 70,000 people are expected to gather Monday for the annual march honoring the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., the civil rights leader and proponent of nonviolence who was gunned down by an assassin in Memphis, Tenn., in 1968.

    Although the focus of the march will be on King and his championing of the civil rights movement, it has come to embrace an array of ideas and causes — labor rights, affirmative action, peace, and greater equality for minorities, gays and lesbians.

    The march is set to begin at 10 a.m. from the Eastside Boys & Girls Club/MLK Freedom Bridge at 3500 MLK Drive.

    But this year, instead of ending at MLK Plaza, where a wreath has traditionally been placed at the foot of the statue commemorating King, the march will end at Pittman-Sullivan Park on Iowa Street, where an award-winning gospel quartet will fill the air with foot-stomping harmonic tunes.

    For the first time since it began 18 years ago, the MLK Commission changed the 3-mile route to accommodate more people at the end and to avoid any problems from ongoing construction on Houston Street. The commission also wanted to open up the streets so EMS vehicles could get in and out more quickly if necessary.

    The march has come a long way from its humble beginnings, local activists said. But how did it get to be the largest in the nation, despite the African American population here only being about 6 percent?

    Cities with larger African American populations, such as Memphis, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Washington and Detroit, have celebrations to honor King, but none draws more than the march in San Antonio.

    Denver, which claims to have "one of the nation's largest MLK Day marches," drew an estimated 30,000 people last year.

    "The march is large because it basically struck a chord in San Antonio," said Morris A. Stribling, a former chairman of the MLK March and a former commissioner of the MLK Commission.

    Susan Ives, a peace advocate who is a staff member at the Peace Center and a columnist on the opinion page of the San Antonio Express-News, credits the MLK Commission for welcoming and inviting various groups to join the march.

    "I suspect that other cities are more turf-oriented and perhaps view it as an exclusively African American event," she said.

    Richard Lewis, 50, who grew up in San Antonio and remembers when King led the 1963 march in Washington that ended with his famous "I Have a Dream" speech, said the local march has been broadened to allow groups that are striving for elements of the American dream.

    San Antonio, he said, should be a model for other cities.

    "I hate to sound like a homer, but San Antonio is a very, very unique place as a city," said Lewis, an associate professor of sociology and special assistant to the president of the University of Texas at San Antonio.

    "When you look at the embodiment in civil rights in general, especially ethnic, racial and gender issues related to civil rights, what better place than San Antonio to exemplify the dream?" he said.

    The march, which Lewis calls a "walking history pictorial for young people," is about inclusiveness that everyone has a right to pursue.

    And that includes the gay and lesbian community, which isn't always welcome in some civil rights circles.

    Lewis said, "The civil rights movement was a lightning rod for several groups that have historically been locked out," but not everyone agrees.

    Some feel the movement for racial equality led by King is sometimes "hijacked" by certain groups to further their own causes.

    "In the minds of most African Americans, the gay and lesbian movement has really no relationship to the civil rights movement because they believe that gays and lesbians actually have a choice as to which sexual orientation they choose," said Stribling, who said he also believes this to be true.

    "But if you were African American and born in this country, you didn't have very many choices, as far as where you could live, what kind of income you could achieve and what kind of wealth you could ac ulate."

    Nevertheless, if gays and lesbians show up to march, no one will object, he said.

    "If you are a minority of any fashion, whatever that might be, you just kind of relate to the civil rights movement and you'll march for whatever rights you think you deserve."
    Look, you guys are en led to your opinions and there is no right or wrong in whether or not you believe this is hijacking his day. It's simply an opinion.

    But I'm almost positive that people who think that, won't be out there. I KNOW Cladestino won't be marching, and I'm pretty sure you won't be out there Chris.

    There's are several reasons for doing this, but most importantly because the majority of the people who show up to these events are people who CARE. People who care about issues, and people who show an interest beyond throwing around opinions on a forum on the web. It's the same people I see at meetings, protests, and in the general activist community. These are the people who will actually take a stand on issues the way MLK believed in doing.

    I simply figured maybe some of the people in here might be interested in that. If you're not, that's fine. But honestly, before telling me that it's a hijacking, you should know what the event and the people who are putting on the event stand for. You should also know what MLK stood for outside of the 3 paragraphs that were in your high school history book.

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    And I'm not being an asshole, but since I don't expect any of you to be out there in a few hours, here's some enlightenment.





    Look, you guys are en led to your opinions and there is no right or wrong in whether or not you believe this is hijacking his day. It's simply an opinion.

    But I'm almost positive that people who think that, won't be out there. I KNOW Cladestino won't be marching, and I'm pretty sure you won't be out there Chris.

    There's are several reasons for doing this, but most importantly because the majority of the people who show up to these events are people who CARE. People who care about issues, and people who show an interest beyond throwing around opinions on a forum on the web. It's the same people I see at meetings, protests, and in the general activist community. These are the people who will actually take a stand on issues the way MLK believed in doing.

    I simply figured maybe some of the people in here might be interested in that. If you're not, that's fine. But honestly, before telling me that it's a hijacking, you should know what the event and the people who are putting on the event stand for. You should also know what MLK stood for outside of the 3 paragraphs that were in your high school history book.
    Yeah you're freaken right I won't be out there. But you know why that is? I don't have a day off from work to be there. My company doesn't allow for this holiday. So I don't have the free time to participate.

    I don't believe you are hijacking the event, but for the reasons I stated earlier, your intentions are good. I do not like being lectured to and told I'm ignorant of something from someone who has no idea how much knowledge I have on a subject. Does the truly righteous chastize the ignorant? I don't think King's message was you're dumb if you don't come to my parade.

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    And thats not what I meant. Don't take it that way. My intentions of that last post werne't to put anone on the defensive.

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    And thats not what I meant. Don't take it that way. My intentions of that last post werne't to put anone on the defensive.
    It sure sounded that way to me!

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    I too had to work today but my kids and wife are marching.

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    Percent of employers who give all or most workers a paid holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr.: 26

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    The march was spectacular. We got a great response, as well as all of the other groups there. Great freaking march.

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    yeah the white man

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    Exactly what march did you go to again Manny?


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    Classic pic....

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